Arsonist nerf is massive.

I did not pick the most op build possible. I've been playing minions since d2. If you look at my poe 1 account I play minions every league. Good or bad.

The game has barely been out a week. Of course no one is using the melee minions their ai is so bad.

Have you even played the build?

If minions are "easy" than so is every range build..... maybe spark shouldn't be allowed to be cast more than 1 meter away from the boss. It's currently too easy to run away and not get hit. Or actually one tap the boss with you op lightning conduit.
Last edited by timnor#9068 on Dec 18, 2024, 5:26:44 AM
What I am trying now is to add 2-3 Skeleton Snipers into the build.
They do extremly high aoe dmg with command explosion part (use a new bidding support gem), literally 1-2 shot rares.
So i still have 8 aroconists to clear the trash and 3 snipers to shut down rares/blues/bosses.
PoE nowadays looks more and more like a fork server with tons of custom weird experimental stuff rather than original game with carefully thought out balance brough live to players.
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timnor#9068 wrote:
Useless whining? If it's so minor then why do it?

"Still fine" just 40% worse.

We play this game to loot and kill monsters..... improve our gear and clear more monsters.

The devs said they would only nerf extreme cases. Minions ai is so terrible right now it's hilarious.


Arsonists were over performing anyway.

Also 40% is a made up number. Even if you take the example with from 14 to 10 arsonists it is -28.5% (14 - 28.5% = 10 or 14 * 0.715 = 10). For other players it is from 10 to 8 so only -20%.

Furthermore with an arsonist build you usually also have other minions. The dog, skeletons from the sceptre, SRS. All these contribute to the damage which further reduces the nerf.

In practical terms this was maybe a 10% damage nerf. Instead of 10 seconds a very tanky boss now takes 11 seconds. WOW. Like I said multiple times, no big deal. People just blow it out of proportion.
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Avaricta#4758 wrote:
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timnor#9068 wrote:
Useless whining? If it's so minor then why do it?

"Still fine" just 40% worse.

We play this game to loot and kill monsters..... improve our gear and clear more monsters.

The devs said they would only nerf extreme cases. Minions ai is so terrible right now it's hilarious.


Arsonists were over performing anyway.

Also 40% is a made up number. Even if you take the example with from 14 to 10 arsonists it is -28.5% (14 - 28.5% = 10 or 14 * 0.715 = 10). For other players it is from 10 to 8 so only -20%.

Furthermore with an arsonist build you usually also have other minions. The dog, skeletons from the sceptre, SRS. All these contribute to the damage which further reduces the nerf.

In practical terms this was maybe a 10% damage nerf. Instead of 10 seconds a very tanky boss now takes 11 seconds. WOW. Like I said multiple times, no big deal. People just blow it out of proportion.


Srs does not scale well endgame. Skeletons from the scepter have horrible AI.

"Over performing" o so spark and lc weren't better? Faster? Hit harder? 10% my ass I lost almost a 1/3 of my most potent minion xD 10% that's hilarious.

If it really is only a second different then why do it??if it's not such a big deal then again why do it? The skill was not "broken" it could have wait. They just wasted days of farming times because of an overreaction.
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timnor#9068 wrote:

Srs does not scale well endgame. Skeletons from the scepter have horrible AI.

"Over performing" o so spark and lc weren't better? Faster? Hit harder? 10% my ass I lost almost a 1/3 of my most potent minion xD 10% that's hilarious.

If it really is only a second different then why do it??if it's not such a big deal then again why do it?


Hey, the math is there. If you chose to ignore it or find excuses to ignore the facts and play into your fantasy, then so be it. But then nobody will be able to help you understand.
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timnor#9068 wrote:
Went from 17 down to 12. Also lose my clarity gem. Love investing into a character.

Good thing this gem system is so great. It's not like my 6 link is tied to the gem or anything.

Nty poe2 is not fun. Game is free so I'll play but you won't get another dime.

They cannot even be bothered to upload a simple filter for console users.

2nd class citizens again.

I'd probably be way less salty if there also weren't a massive amount of bugs.....

Label this a beta obviously nothing was tested.... we barely have a feel for the game but the devs are already imposing their will.....


Do you not understand what a test phase is? Whole point of the next 6 months is for players to test the game, there are going to be LOADS of changes, including nerfs to builds, possibly even killing builds outright. This is intentional, and not a bug. If this isn't for you, perhaps waiting for the game to officially launch.
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Avaricta#4758 wrote:
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timnor#9068 wrote:

Srs does not scale well endgame. Skeletons from the scepter have horrible AI.

"Over performing" o so spark and lc weren't better? Faster? Hit harder? 10% my ass I lost almost a 1/3 of my most potent minion xD 10% that's hilarious.

If it really is only a second different then why do it??if it's not such a big deal then again why do it?


Hey, the math is there. If you chose to ignore it of find excuses to ignore the facts and play into your fantasy, then so be it. But then nobody will be able to help you understand.


The math is not there. It's early access not a beta go find a dictionary.

The feedback is the devs are incompetent and didn't hold a beta.

early access" typically means a more developed, playable version of a game that users can purchase and actively contribute to its development by providing feedback, while "beta" is a testing phase with a more controlled group of users to identify bugs and issues before a full release, often with a focus on finding critical problems rather than shaping the product's direction.
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timnor#9068 wrote:
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Avaricta#4758 wrote:
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timnor#9068 wrote:

Srs does not scale well endgame. Skeletons from the scepter have horrible AI.

"Over performing" o so spark and lc weren't better? Faster? Hit harder? 10% my ass I lost almost a 1/3 of my most potent minion xD 10% that's hilarious.

If it really is only a second different then why do it??if it's not such a big deal then again why do it?


Hey, the math is there. If you chose to ignore it of find excuses to ignore the facts and play into your fantasy, then so be it. But then nobody will be able to help you understand.


The math is not there. It's early access not a beta go find a dictionary.


It's 100% a Beta Test, Steam loves to call it a early access, as they call everything that's not officially released that, but it's a Beta, we are testing the game, they are going to fix/change a LOT over the next 6 months.

This is not debatable.
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timnor#9068 wrote:
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Avaricta#4758 wrote:
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timnor#9068 wrote:

Srs does not scale well endgame. Skeletons from the scepter have horrible AI.

"Over performing" o so spark and lc weren't better? Faster? Hit harder? 10% my ass I lost almost a 1/3 of my most potent minion xD 10% that's hilarious.

If it really is only a second different then why do it??if it's not such a big deal then again why do it?


Hey, the math is there. If you chose to ignore it of find excuses to ignore the facts and play into your fantasy, then so be it. But then nobody will be able to help you understand.


The math is not there. It's early access not a beta go find a dictionary.
GGG called it early access. They had a beta already. You don't find critical bugs in EA that's what the beta testers they invited are supposed to do.
Last edited by timnor#9068 on Dec 18, 2024, 5:48:46 AM
What's the point of arsonist if you have hellhound? He ignites, so arsonist become obsolete. I use snipers gas + dog combo and it works fine, why I would waste points into arsonits? They should nerf srs to force people play different builds. I look for inspirations for my minion build and every single is just copy&paste of previous one with minor tweaks here and there. I use MOM, I use every single minion except arsonits :P Shame that overwhelming presence is so high in str req, otherwise I would use that aura to boost all element ailments my mixed army does.

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