Hail to you, experts on game design

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AliquamGames#5952 wrote:

I must express my great pleasure derived from the fact that so many fellow PoE2 players are well versed in terms of game and system design.

Every time I read about player agency, player experience, shit design choices, drop rates, UNPLAYABLE mechanics and classes, I find myself lost in thought, in pondering.

What if I too were a qualified specialist, able to peer through the underlying mechanics and systems, being able to judge something as SHIT and LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE at a glance without even opening statistical tools. Would my experience with the game change?

I am very glad that I am in such good company, reading those well-thought analyses inspires me to improve. To strive to excellence and seek further broadening of own competences.

Thank you.

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lupasvasile#5385 wrote:

The POE community, especially POE 1 players have a big flaw: tunnel vison. They only see one way, and there's no deviating from it, in fact it's a sin to deviate.

Ever since GGG started presenting POE 2 they have made it clear that they want active, slow, combo based gameplay; at least for campaign and early end game. But the POE 1 "elites" know better, and they refuse this. They want POE 1 one button slot machine loot piñata gameplay. To achieve this they will look for the most broken akil, mechanic, item and try to do their "grand perfect build". Once GGG nerfs it, do they get the message? Sully goose, ofc not. They cry about it, and then proceed to find the next broken build.
Anything to not actually play the game; the game must play itself.

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AliquamGames#5952 wrote:

I must express my great pleasure derived from the fact that so many fellow PoE2 players are well versed in terms of game and system design.

Every time I read about player agency, player experience, shit design choices, drop rates, UNPLAYABLE mechanics and classes, I find myself lost in thought, in pondering.

What if I too were a qualified specialist, able to peer through the underlying mechanics and systems, being able to judge something as SHIT and LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE at a glance without even opening statistical tools. Would my experience with the game change?

I am very glad that I am in such good company, reading those well-thought analyses inspires me to improve. To strive to excellence and seek further broadening of own competences.

Thank you.

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lupasvasile#5385 wrote:

The POE community, especially POE 1 players have a big flaw: tunnel vison. They only see one way, and there's no deviating from it, in fact it's a sin to deviate.

Ever since GGG started presenting POE 2 they have made it clear that they want active, slow, combo based gameplay; at least for campaign and early end game. But the POE 1 "elites" know better, and they refuse this. They want POE 1 one button slot machine loot piñata gameplay. To achieve this they will look for the most broken akil, mechanic, item and try to do their "grand perfect build". Once GGG nerfs it, do they get the message? Sully goose, ofc not. They cry about it, and then proceed to find the next broken build.
Anything to not actually play the game; the game must play itself.

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Glorfndel01#6465 wrote:

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lupasvasile#5385 wrote:

The POE community, especially POE 1 players have a big flaw: tunnel vison. They only see one way, and there's no deviating from it, in fact it's a sin to deviate.

Ever since GGG started presenting POE 2 they have made it clear that they want active, slow, combo based gameplay; at least for campaign and early end game. But the POE 1 "elites" know better, and they refuse this. They want POE 1 one button slot machine loot piñata gameplay. To achieve this they will look for the most broken akil, mechanic, item and try to do their "grand perfect build". Once GGG nerfs it, do they get the message? Sully goose, ofc not. They cry about it, and then proceed to find the next broken build.
Anything to not actually play the game; the game must play itself.

But there's a difference between nerfing a skill and making it obsolete. Based on poe1 history that's carried over to 2, I'm not sure that know-how exists

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Cajual#4575 wrote:

Product Managers almost always defer to their customer personas for design choices, one persona being "casual player" and another persona being "poe1 fanatic". Both of these personas have merit and are fractionally biased within their pool of total capture audience so they can achieve Pareto optimal across their design efforts.

With that said, alienating entire cohorts is never a wise decision, even if you're an established brand; especially if, in some cases.

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HolmesinJussi#1854 wrote:

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Glorfndel01#6465 wrote:

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lupasvasile#5385 wrote:

The POE community, especially POE 1 players have a big flaw: tunnel vison. They only see one way, and there's no deviating from it, in fact it's a sin to deviate.

Ever since GGG started presenting POE 2 they have made it clear that they want active, slow, combo based gameplay; at least for campaign and early end game. But the POE 1 "elites" know better, and they refuse this. They want POE 1 one button slot machine loot piñata gameplay. To achieve this they will look for the most broken akil, mechanic, item and try to do their "grand perfect build". Once GGG nerfs it, do they get the message? Sully goose, ofc not. They cry about it, and then proceed to find the next broken build.
Anything to not actually play the game; the game must play itself.

But there's a difference between nerfing a skill and making it obsolete. Based on poe1 history that's carried over to 2, I'm not sure that know-how exists

Except it's not obsolete. People are still playing CoF and making it work, it's just not OP anymore. But that's not good enough for some, proving the point of the previous poster.