devs are 100% more active on discord

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BlueTemplar85 wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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It will be interesting to see how the marketing blitz on PoE2 with this sort of arms length policy, will work. Will they relax it? Mark and Jonathan only? Anything similar to then D4 campfire chats? (Doubtful)

Somewhat related, the Community PoE2 link right now links to nothing.

Can we hope for a forum update for the (early access) release of PoE2 ?

(Did these forums already exist when PoE1 was in closed beta ? Were at least some of them open ?)

pfahahaha :D
well that must be a joke if not
ROFL* xD

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Wladicorist1 wrote:

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BlueTemplar85 wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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It will be interesting to see how the marketing blitz on PoE2 with this sort of arms length policy, will work. Will they relax it? Mark and Jonathan only? Anything similar to then D4 campfire chats? (Doubtful)

Somewhat related, the Community PoE2 link right now links to nothing.

The link does work. The forums did exist. The devs are at arms length? They do interviews ALL THE TIME on youtube and other places. Way more than most other companies do. They also do all those teaser and other vids that pop up almost once a week.

You know why D4 did those campfires? Because the game was in such a terrible terrible state that they HAD to in order to rescue the game and explain the future of the game to their players.

But overall, the GGG developers offer far more interviews than Blizzard ever does. Jonathan has done somewhere around 6-7 in-depth interviews with streamers in the past 5 months. And those are only the ones I immediately found, I'm sure he has probably done even more outside of streamers.

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The link does work.

No, it doesn't. It links to the bottom of the page where there is nothing (for now).

(Funnily enough, just as I was about to write this, all GGG servers seemingly went down ! xD
But it was an issue on my side, roadworks probably...)

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The devs are at arms length? They do interviews ALL THE TIME on youtube and other places. Way more than most other companies do. They also do all those teaser and other vids that pop up almost once a week.

«YouTube and other places» rather than the official forums is the key complaint here.

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Also, slightly offtopic, GGG doesn't exactly show their best behaviour when they choose to still use platforms in 2024
(despite non-platform alternatives for video hosting and streaming being available for years now)
and even worse, to still professionally associate themselves in 2024 with the kind of bad people that make money using platforms !
(Though I do understand that these are longstanding ties, perhaps even friendship ones, which it can be hard to break even when starting to consider it years in advance...)

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mefistozxz wrote:

The link does work. The forums did exist. The devs are at arms length? They do interviews ALL THE TIME on youtube and other places. Way more than most other companies do. They also do all those teaser and other vids that pop up almost once a week.

You know why D4 did those campfires? Because the game was in such a terrible terrible state that they HAD to in order to rescue the game and explain the future of the game to their players.

But overall, the GGG developers offer far more interviews than Blizzard ever does. Jonathan has done somewhere around 6-7 in-depth interviews with streamers in the past 5 months. And those are only the ones I immediately found, I'm sure he has probably done even more outside of streamers.

Nah.

Doing media for a marketing push is different than communicating with the players on the game. They are driving hype in order to make money. This isn't player outreach to solicite feedback and improve, it's sales. Plain and simple.

Truth is CW ordered the complete abandonment of reddit and these forums by the Devs post 3.15. That's a fact. We don't have a Community Manager. That's a fact. Unless there is a new league, or some PoE2 marketing, the Devs don't talk. Thats a fact. That's been company policy for years now.

A long time has passed since there was any meaningful non-sales, or non-PoE2 related communication. (I guess Exilecon I could give them credit for). It just is what it is now.

Here's another straight fact. they do pretty fine since years even to the point to have more than enough funds to work on a second project without all this Huff and puff like reddit or a public official name for whoever is doing the community management and post now hidden behind the "community team" account.
Less is often more in some aspects.

Shocking how a game isn't directly in need of KFC campaigns or meaningless last resort "campfire" talks to maintain or gain players like some other companies would do. lol

That's wild. GGG don't even own their own IP anymore. They are a Tencent portfolio company. I never said they were not doing ok either. They have been successful over the last decade, no doubt. Doesn't mean that they don't make mistakes, or that their overall silence and isolated comms are smart calls. I don't agree with it, and they are more than capable of doing better imo.

And shit, a PTR, regular dev chats with direct feedback & response is now "doing too much"?! --- gtfo. How in the hell is this a negative? Anyways D4 doesn't have a player, rev/sales, or communication problem, that's fiction, so this is pointless. You don't have to like the game, or thinks it's too casual, that's fine, but that doesn't mean anything in the bigger picture. Game is more than ok, pulling in north of a Billion dollars in it's first year. LOL indeed.

PTR as in Public Test Realm? I sure love new league content being figured out and spoilered before the launch weekend. If there's one surefire way to ruin the anticipation it's this.

Maybe "too much" isn't the right term. It's reductive of what Pashid expressed when he said "less is more"

A PTR isn't for content (or it doesn't have to be). It's for the mechanical, performance, and functionality of the season / league.

Nothing for VoH has been spoiled for example.

Edit: In fact I'd argue that a PTR for PoE would be far far more effective than in D4 just due to how many interactions and how complex PoE has become.

Hell there were 4 or 5 major things that the PoE community discovered from just patch notes alone that needed to be fixed before the Settlers league started. Not to mention the patches after the fact that correct issues that could have been addressed on the front end.

It'd likely include balance changes, new skills, reworks and whatnot so players would get to figure out what the new meta will be. Personally, that's a big turnoff.

I'm quite sure you're also past your 30s, Darth. I'm sure you remember when you had to buy a guide book to get your gaming spoilers or ask a friend who played the game before you. A lot of the excitement in games is figuring it out.

Or in short: a solved puzzle is just a picture

I don't know about that. I tend to agree with you on story / character / campaign spoilers, but way less so on performance and mechanics.

I'd much rather those things work smoothly, than be surprised by their existence, and then they don't work right or are way out of balance. Plus you don't have to personally participate in the PTR. Other's will and provide vital feedback. You can avoid the spoilers if you wish. Been that way with datamining forever.

I mean GGG is doing EA for PoE2 (presumably to do the things a PTR would)