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MonaHuna wrote:
Here we go again. It's been repeatedly mentioned in interviews the early acess (formerly known as closed beta) going to work similarly to The Fall of Oriath beta. You can check one of the recent here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0cA9tkTiXE&t=4533s. That's the info from devs.
It's basically buy to play, you'll need a key to gain access. It's "open" in the sense that nobody will be restricted from buying it.
I doubt this is going to be the case, Fall of Oriath Beta was just that.. a beta.
Early Access is going to be running until the official launch of Path of Exile 2, it's not a beta. They're not going to give out keys for several months leading up to its launch, it just makes absolutely no sense.
Fall of Oriath Beta was also free, they were giving out around 288 keys via a timer on the website every day (which they stated was not enough in the FAQ so it was increased to 500-1000 keys a day). They were also giving players access who had spent a total of 500 dollars on the game over its lifetime automatically.
There was no need to buy the supporters pack to get a key.
Again though.
I don't think this is going to be the case, a beta doesn't last very long and this is early access which they've stated will run until the official launch and using a key system for that likely won't be the case. I mean we're probably looking at 6 months+ of Early Access before the game launches, do they want to be handing out keys that entire time for what is technically a free game.
Early access gives players a chance to provide them tons of feedback before its launch, the more hands on they have the better it's for them so honestly I don't think they're going to limit players at all. It's not like a beta where it runs for 2 weeks with limited content then they take feedback and implement changes before another beta, in Early Access they work on the game while it's live and change things as it goes.
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Posted byfirenovix#6291on Sep 18, 2024, 2:49:14 PM
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firenovix wrote:
I doubt this is going to be the case, Fall of Oriath Beta was just that.. a beta.
Early Access is going to be running until the official launch of Path of Exile 2, it's not a beta.
You can doubt, but that's what GGG keep saying since Exilecon. Why does a beta can't run until the launch? Anyways It's not about how we or devs call it.
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firenovix wrote:
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MonaHuna wrote:
Here we go again. It's been repeatedly mentioned in interviews the early acess (formerly known as closed beta) going to work similarly to The Fall of Oriath beta. You can check one of the recent here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0cA9tkTiXE&t=4533s. That's the info from devs.
It's basically buy to play, you'll need a key to gain access. It's "open" in the sense that nobody will be restricted from buying it.
Fall of Oriath Beta was also free, they were giving out around 288 keys via a timer on the website every day (which they stated was not enough in the FAQ so it was increased to 500-1000 keys a day). They were also giving players access who had spent a total of 500 dollars on the game over its lifetime automatically.
There was no need to buy the supporters pack to get a key.
I said nothing about supporter packs. Yes, there were different ways to get in, most of which require money spending. Random draw is a very unreliable way to get a key. I said "basically buy to play" because it quickly gives a general idea and sets right expectations. The topic was discussed dozens of times, everyone should be aware of this thread https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1897264, so I didn't describe everything in details. The only way of getting a key that is not covered there is a $10 direct key purchasing https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1917627 which became available a month later.
Also I think it's importatant to worn about inevitable price increases compared to 3.0 beta. PoE2 is a new game while 3.0 was an expansion (yes colossal but still). I wouldn't expect a $30 support pack with a key. The sum of lifetime purchases can't still be $500 of course, because everyone who met the threshold back in 3.0 would meet it again in this case. So either the sum will be raised or at least the period will be set from 3.0 and onwards (no longer lifetime).
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firenovix wrote:
Again though.
I don't think this is going to be the case, a beta doesn't last very long and this is early access which they've stated will run until the official launch and using a key system for that likely won't be the case. I mean we're probably looking at 6 months+ of Early Access before the game launches, do they want to be handing out keys that entire time for what is technically a free game.
The raffle duration can be adjusted to any number of months if this is an issue. Note, that giveaway may not be the case at all, like any other mentioned ways to get a key. We only know the model of getting-in. Also you seem to believe some devs' statements but don't believe others.
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firenovix wrote:
Early access gives players a chance to provide them tons of feedback before its launch, the more hands on they have the better it's for them so honestly I don't think they're going to limit players at all. It's not like a beta where it runs for 2 weeks with limited content then they take feedback and implement changes before another beta, in Early Access they work on the game while it's live and change things as it goes.
Even with $60 for a key, players will give far more feedback than GGG can possibly handle.
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Posted byMonaHuna#6449on Sep 19, 2024, 8:40:23 AM
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They will sell access most likely, I personally think paid beta is an absolutely joke but frankly companies found out years ago that they could sell access if there was enough hype around something and basically get paid to do their QA :p
And don't get me wrong, in GGG's shoes I would sell it too there is basically no reason not to.
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Posted byDraegnarrr#2823on Sep 19, 2024, 9:15:18 AM
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They don't call it "beta" anymore so assume you can just buy access with a supporter pack, makes sense it's "free" money
Hopefully included in the cheapest pack tho
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Posted byRikku#7536on Sep 19, 2024, 10:17:15 AM
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battlew wrote:
lol bro you made me laught. " it's open in the sense that nobody will be restricted from buying it " xDD
I already imagine going to a supermarket that says "free goods to take away", and the cassier at the end tell you that you missunderstud... it's free in the sense you are not restricted from buying anything xD
open ≠ free
Your supermarket might be fully open for business (meaning they do not restrict who can go in, unlike for an exclusive sale), but you will still have to pay for the goods in there.
Of course PoE2's early access might be both free and open, after all that was already the case with PoE1's open beta !
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firenovix wrote:
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MonaHuna wrote:
Here we go again. It's been repeatedly mentioned in interviews the early acess (formerly known as closed beta) going to work similarly to The Fall of Oriath beta. You can check one of the recent here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0cA9tkTiXE&t=4533s. That's the info from devs.
It's basically buy to play, you'll need a key to gain access. It's "open" in the sense that nobody will be restricted from buying it.
I doubt this is going to be the case, Fall of Oriath Beta was just that.. a beta.
Early Access is going to be running until the official launch of Path of Exile 2, it's not a beta. They're not going to give out keys for several months leading up to its launch, it just makes absolutely no sense.
Fall of Oriath Beta was also free, they were giving out around 288 keys via a timer on the website every day (which they stated was not enough in the FAQ so it was increased to 500-1000 keys a day). They were also giving players access who had spent a total of 500 dollars on the game over its lifetime automatically.
There was no need to buy the supporters pack to get a key.
Again though.
I don't think this is going to be the case, a beta doesn't last very long and this is early access which they've stated will run until the official launch and using a key system for that likely won't be the case. I mean we're probably looking at 6 months+ of Early Access before the game launches, do they want to be handing out keys that entire time for what is technically a free game.
Early access gives players a chance to provide them tons of feedback before its launch, the more hands on they have the better it's for them so honestly I don't think they're going to limit players at all. It's not like a beta where it runs for 2 weeks with limited content then they take feedback and implement changes before another beta, in Early Access they work on the game while it's live and change things as it goes.
I'm not sure why you're making a difference between early access and open beta ? PoE1's (base game) one was seemingly both (and ran for 9 months). (Did they ever call it "Early Access" though ?)
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MonaHuna wrote:
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The sum of lifetime purchases can't still be $500 of course, because everyone who met the threshold back in 3.0 would meet it again in this case. So either the sum will be raised or at least the period will be set from 3.0 and onwards (no longer lifetime).
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Why not, doesn't PoE have a lot more new players today compared to 3.0, 7 years ago ? And also people that never played PoE1 trying out PoE 2 ?
If they pick and choose keys to send, that wouldn't be 'open' though.
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Posted byBlueTemplar85#0647on Sep 19, 2024, 2:18:03 PM
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For everyone who I know will buy the early access option, thank you for play testing the bugs and guaranteeing that when I play the official release of POE2 it will have many of the bugs squashed thanks to you paying to be unpaid testers.
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Posted byBeachrat-_-#9862on Sep 19, 2024, 6:10:15 PM
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MonaHuna wrote:
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firenovix wrote:
I doubt this is going to be the case, Fall of Oriath Beta was just that.. a beta.
Early Access is going to be running until the official launch of Path of Exile 2, it's not a beta.
You can doubt, but that's what GGG keep saying since Exilecon. Why does a beta can't run until the launch? Anyways It's not about how we or devs call it.
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firenovix wrote:
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MonaHuna wrote:
Here we go again. It's been repeatedly mentioned in interviews the early acess (formerly known as closed beta) going to work similarly to The Fall of Oriath beta. You can check one of the recent here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0cA9tkTiXE&t=4533s. That's the info from devs.
It's basically buy to play, you'll need a key to gain access. It's "open" in the sense that nobody will be restricted from buying it.
Fall of Oriath Beta was also free, they were giving out around 288 keys via a timer on the website every day (which they stated was not enough in the FAQ so it was increased to 500-1000 keys a day). They were also giving players access who had spent a total of 500 dollars on the game over its lifetime automatically.
There was no need to buy the supporters pack to get a key.
I said nothing about supporter packs. Yes, there were different ways to get in, most of which require money spending. Random draw is a very unreliable way to get a key. I said "basically buy to play" because it quickly gives a general idea and sets right expectations. The topic was discussed dozens of times, everyone should be aware of this thread https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1897264, so I didn't describe everything in details. The only way of getting a key that is not covered there is a $10 direct key purchasing https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1917627 which became available a month later.
Also I think it's importatant to worn about inevitable price increases compared to 3.0 beta. PoE2 is a new game while 3.0 was an expansion (yes colossal but still). I wouldn't expect a $30 support pack with a key. The sum of lifetime purchases can't still be $500 of course, because everyone who met the threshold back in 3.0 would meet it again in this case. So either the sum will be raised or at least the period will be set from 3.0 and onwards (no longer lifetime).
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firenovix wrote:
Again though.
I don't think this is going to be the case, a beta doesn't last very long and this is early access which they've stated will run until the official launch and using a key system for that likely won't be the case. I mean we're probably looking at 6 months+ of Early Access before the game launches, do they want to be handing out keys that entire time for what is technically a free game.
The raffle duration can be adjusted to any number of months if this is an issue. Note, that giveaway may not be the case at all, like any other mentioned ways to get a key. We only know the model of getting-in. Also you seem to believe some devs' statements but don't believe others.
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firenovix wrote:
Early access gives players a chance to provide them tons of feedback before its launch, the more hands on they have the better it's for them so honestly I don't think they're going to limit players at all. It's not like a beta where it runs for 2 weeks with limited content then they take feedback and implement changes before another beta, in Early Access they work on the game while it's live and change things as it goes.
Even with $60 for a key, players will give far more feedback than GGG can possibly handle.
What you said was basically the only way to get in was to pay, never mentioned there were keys given away daily. If people are asking how to get access you should be mentioning the others ways there were and not the one. As for it not being reliable, that's debatable the majority of the people who were in my guild got in via key giveaway.
As for the video of him explaining the way to even get in Early Access it was clear from his explanation he hasn't decided yet and no real decision was made. Everything is speculation based on info that was given and honestly a free game having Early Access that is open to everyone isn't uncommon. I also see no problem of them letting anyone who reached $500 minimum since the launch of PoE, 50% of the player base have not even bought anything more then the tabs they needed and a small majority are F2P.
As for far more feedback then GGG can handle, that's a good thing. It's Early Access for a reason and will go on for months, possibly longer if they feel the need for it. The more feedback the better, I'm totally fine if the release wasn't for a year if it's for the better of the game.
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Posted byfirenovix#6291on Sep 19, 2024, 10:16:17 PM
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BlueTemplar85 wrote:
I'm not sure why you're making a difference between early access and open beta ? PoE1's (base game) one was seemingly both (and ran for 9 months). (Did they ever call it "Early Access" though ?)
I've never said anything about Open Beta and don't know where you're getting that from, Fall of Oriath wasn't an Open Beta.
An Open Beta is open to all, it doesn't require keys and is in most cases free unless it's a buy 2 play game. There typically also isn't a wipe at the end of an Open Beta unlike an Early Access.
Early Access & Open Beta are 2 different things.
If Early Access was an Open Beta, we'd all be playing and this thread wouldn't exist.
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Posted byfirenovix#6291on Sep 19, 2024, 10:24:59 PM
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Because we're discussing previous examples of releases from GGG ?
And where have you seen player data being wiped at the end of an Early Access ?! (At that point people have already bought the game, it would be a scandal !)
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Posted byBlueTemplar85#0647on Sep 20, 2024, 5:18:57 AM
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Open Beta = everyone has free access to it. Progression gets wiped before release.
Closed Beta = only a few ppl has access to it. Progression gets wiped before release.
Early Access = only ppl who pay for it (via direct payment, or pre-reserve, or founders packs) have access to it. Progression gets saved so ppl get attracted to pay for it.
If everyone could join the early access for free, they would have just called it "full release".
You're welcome.
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Posted byaortisan#2067on Oct 22, 2024, 9:48:12 AM
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