Will there be a PC non-steam client for PoE 2 like for PoE 1?

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de99ial wrote:

If Early Access will require steam?
Will EA be only via steam?

Will PoE2 be available via steam like Last Epoch? (i didnt play it because steam).

Never got the answer.

Who need answers for obvious questions...
Launcher is main thing, always will be.

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One of them is that I try to avoid tracking as much as posible. And yes, steam does track what you play, when you play, how long you play, your hardware and much more.

Hey buddy, don't know if you know but...everything you have tracks you.

Right now you are writing in a forum in the web using a browser?That browser is tracking you.
You have a phone?You are being tracked.
You have a console?You are being tracked.
You connect anything to the internet?You are being tracked.

Dont understand these people that are "not going to use chrome, it tracks you" while using everything else that does the same thing.

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FearZGamer wrote:

Hey buddy, don't know if you know but...everything you have tracks you.

Right now you are writing in a forum in the web using a browser?That browser is tracking you.
You have a phone?You are being tracked.
You have a console?You are being tracked.
You connect anything to the internet?You are being tracked.

Dont understand these people that are "not going to use chrome, it tracks you" while using everything else that does the same thing.

Got some addons that turns off trackers.
My phone is from 2015 and i tested if it tracks me-. If it does it does very sublty. Its on Win10 Lumia 950. Yeah gold oldie.

Second is nokia 3310 2017.

Not a console owner.

Im aware that they try to track me but i live by te rule "dont make it for them to be simple and easy".

Also never have a phone on android or MacOS.

I'd like to see PoE 2 be Steam only but they will never do it because it will be a self-expose .

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Voice_in_the_void wrote:

I'd like to see PoE 2 be Steam only but they will never do it because it will be a self-expose .

Too many players will ignore it if it will be that way.

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FearZGamer wrote:

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One of them is that I try to avoid tracking as much as posible. And yes, steam does track what you play, when you play, how long you play, your hardware and much more.

Hey buddy, don't know if you know but...everything you have tracks you.

Right now you are writing in a forum in the web using a browser?That browser is tracking you.
You have a phone?You are being tracked.
You have a console?You are being tracked.
You connect anything to the internet?You are being tracked.

Dont understand these people that are "not going to use chrome, it tracks you"
while using everything else that does the same thing.

Why do you belive it is bad if someone trys to minimize the posible tracking against him?

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Jixa87 wrote:

It just never made sense to me, I want to launch the game I want to play, not open another client, get bombarded with ads, see all the other games I haven't played in a while, wait for a bunch of random updates to either the client or games I don't play anymore just to play the game I want to play.

Good thing I never had/used Steam. Didnt know it was that bad, just used to dislike it for "philosophical" reasons.

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Zrevnur wrote:

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Jixa87 wrote:

It just never made sense to me, I want to launch the game I want to play, not open another client, get bombarded with ads, see all the other games I haven't played in a while, wait for a bunch of random updates to either the client or games I don't play anymore just to play the game I want to play.

Good thing I never had/used Steam. Didnt know it was that bad, just used to dislike it for "philosophical" reasons.

Steam does not bombard you with adds like other platforms.

As I said, Steam is still the best option for Consumers if you have to use one. And there are good points to use a platform. Like the Library for Books or a CD-Stand for your Musik CDs.

But the very best option is no need to use one at all :). And having the choice if you want to use one or not is extremly nice too.

That's what I call "pro consumer".

While I am fine with steam as a user, I do 100% favor native clients. I played Across the Obelisk for a while, but then they changed it to only launch out of another Launcher (Paradoxes I think). So I'd have to launch steam, launch Across the Obelisk, THEN launch the game from the launcher that launched from the launcher. I instantly uninstalled the game and never looked back.

A game that has another launcher (i.e not a native install or not steam) that game REALLY needs a high point of interest for me to deal with that added step. So I do hope PoE2 keeps a native install / launcher rather than forcing folks to use a random platform. And I suspect (given their past) GGG will do so, I haven't actually seen them say either way. A fine talking point for them if they just need to fill space during a slow news day.

Platforms are evil.
Steam is... perhaps among the least evil ones ?
(Linux support with the Steam Deck.)

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Schakar wrote:

Steam does not bombard you with adds like other platforms.

What ? Of course it does !
Every game advertised on Steam is also an advertisement for Steam's 30% cut !
(Except maybe the completely free ones I guess ??)

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As I said, Steam is still the best option for Consumers if you have to use one. And there are good points to use a platform. Like the Library for Books or a CD-Stand for your Musik CDs.

But the very best option is no need to use one at all :). And having the choice if you want to use one or not is extremly nice too.

That's what I call "pro consumer".

Yes, and you don't need a platform for that.
Lutris isn't a platform.
IIRC, on GoG, their Galaxy platform is still completely optional.

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vio wrote:

since steam used to get a 30% cut on all player's support done over steam, i guess that ggg really likes their own client.

Hmm, but now that I think of it, does it even work with PoE1, since you do all the buying of mtx Points by leaving the game, in a separate browser, rather than through Steam's system ?
(Or is the Steam version different in that ?)
In any case, I would expect that loophole to be gone in PoE2, it's too popular now...

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the question is how long will poe be a pc game since nearly all tech got nerfed for the sake of console compatibility, so there is no advantage in playing it on pc anymore.

Nice trolling.

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lagwin1980 wrote:

given that a bit less than half of their PC player base don't use steam i would think that they would offer a standalone client

Wait, what ?!
Where are those numbers from ?!?
That would be extremely weird, some specific exceptions aside, I generally expect games that were released on Steam at or shortly after release, to be absolutely dominated by Steam players !
(Looks like PoE came to Steam with 1.0, only 9 months after release.)