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It's the roll of the dice mate. Random chance. There is no "1 every x kills" guarentee. Long streaks without drops can happen. So can the opposite.
Unlucky? Definitely. Unfair? Maybe. Nerfed? Probably not.
I make dumb builds, therefore I am.
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Posted byFCK42#0688on Aug 29, 2024, 6:53:30 AM
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It's the roll of the dice mate. Random chance. There is no "1 every x kills" guarentee. Long streaks without drops can happen. So can the opposite.
Unlucky? Definitely. Unfair? Maybe. Nerfed? Probably not.
The curious fact is that before I made 67 Catarinas and 13 Orbs dropped.
In this current league I've already done 33 and 2 Orbs dropped.
I know there is probability involved. Rng etc.
However, we know that the Drop rate can be changed. I believe it has been changed.
I believe I'm not the only one who has this perception.
Last edited by Andershow6#6259 on Aug 29, 2024, 10:44:39 AM
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Posted byAndershow6#6259on Aug 29, 2024, 10:43:35 AM
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1 Day: 20 Catarinas = 1 Orbs
2 Day: 07 Catarinas = 0 Orbs
3 Day: 06 Catarinas = 1 Orbs
Let's see what the result will be today.
Last edited by Andershow6#6259 on Aug 29, 2024, 10:48:39 AM
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Posted byAndershow6#6259on Aug 29, 2024, 10:47:49 AM
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Andershow6 wrote:
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FCK42 wrote:
It's the roll of the dice mate. Random chance. There is no "1 every x kills" guarentee. Long streaks without drops can happen. So can the opposite.
Unlucky? Definitely. Unfair? Maybe. Nerfed? Probably not.
The curious fact is that before I made 67 Catarinas and 13 Orbs dropped.
In this current league I've already done 33 and 2 Orbs dropped.
I know there is probability involved. Rng etc.
However, we know that the Drop rate can be changed. I believe it has been changed.
I believe I'm not the only one who has this perception.
A lot of people do a lot of yapping, especially when things don't go as they please. Personally, I have had 4 veiled orbs in 20 catharinas. Does that mean buff rate has been dropped?
No, because a reasonable person knows that chance doesn't work like that.
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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Posted byArtCrusade#4438on Aug 29, 2024, 10:53:35 AMOn Probation
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Andershow6 wrote:
I know there is probability involved. Rng etc.
However, we know that the Drop rate can be changed. I believe it has been changed.
I believe I'm not the only one who has this perception.
What you just stated doesn't compute. You're either aware of how RNG works and that without a proper sample size you cannot find out whether the drop rate has been changed, or you're not.
There is no middle ground here, you can hold your belief, but it's just that, nothing more nothing less. A few people providing the same tiny sample size contribute nothing to the equation either.
You can keep spawning her a handful of times each day for the remained of the league and you'll still be unable to find out whether the drop rate has been changed, or not.
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Posted byarandan#3174on Aug 29, 2024, 10:59:41 AM
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from wiki:
In addition, Catarina can also drop:
Veiled Orb: ~30% area level 78+; ~20% area level 73-77; ~15% area level 68-72
"The chance for the Mastermind to drop the Veiled Orb between level 73 and 77 is 33% higher than between level 68 and 72. The chance between level 78 and 83 is 50% higher than between level 73 and 77.
The drop rate of Veiled Orbs at higher area levels appears to have been increased as a result of this change, from approximately 10% to 30%."
=> 2 orbs in 33 runs (i'll consider it's level 83) seems to be very bad luck or wiki is wrong about the 30%, or not up to date because it has been nerfed heh.
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Posted byUniversalis#5776on Aug 29, 2024, 11:08:53 AM
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Universalis wrote:
from wiki:
In addition, Catarina can also drop:
Veiled Orb: ~30% area level 78+; ~20% area level 73-77; ~15% area level 68-72
"The chance for the Mastermind to drop the Veiled Orb between level 73 and 77 is 33% higher than between level 68 and 72. The chance between level 78 and 83 is 50% higher than between level 73 and 77.
The drop rate of Veiled Orbs at higher area levels appears to have been increased as a result of this change, from approximately 10% to 30%."
=> 2 orbs in 33 runs (i'll consider it's level 83) seems to be very bad luck or wiki is wrong about the 30%, or not up to date because it has been nerfed heh.
Old data from 3.21 - this is about old veiled chsos orb, second part is, but they’re barely if at all related to each other with nearly nonexistent sample size. It is data of some user that run 200 masterminds in 3.21
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Drop rates are crowdsourced in version 3.21.0; sample size 232[1] Actual drop rates may vary.
And with rather small sample size…
Biggest compliments for my crafted items - "bs, they must have been RMT'ed"
I'm disabled, I have rare case of semperduravera, so I can write things that may look rude, but it is because of disability - I'm forced to tell truth using words you may not like. Last edited by Nomancs#6176 on Aug 29, 2024, 11:25:43 AM
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Posted byNomancs#6176on Aug 29, 2024, 11:21:03 AM
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Nomancs wrote:
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Universalis wrote:
from wiki:
In addition, Catarina can also drop:
Veiled Orb: ~30% area level 78+; ~20% area level 73-77; ~15% area level 68-72
"The chance for the Mastermind to drop the Veiled Orb between level 73 and 77 is 33% higher than between level 68 and 72. The chance between level 78 and 83 is 50% higher than between level 73 and 77.
The drop rate of Veiled Orbs at higher area levels appears to have been increased as a result of this change, from approximately 10% to 30%."
=> 2 orbs in 33 runs (i'll consider it's level 83) seems to be very bad luck or wiki is wrong about the 30%, or not up to date because it has been nerfed heh.
Old data from 3.21 - this is about old veiled chsos orb, second part is, but they’re barely related to each other with nearly nonexistent sample size. It is data of some user that run 200 masterminds in 3.21
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Drop rates are crowdsourced in version 3.21.0; sample size 232[1] Actual drop rates may vary.
And with rather small sample size…
So it's too low odds to be relevant. Btw 10 divines for over-betrayal... Not sure it worth it at all, especially since all players are doing Catarina at least 1 or few times just to unlock more or less crafts. And i will not talk about the rewards which are now horrible.
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Posted byUniversalis#5776on Aug 29, 2024, 11:27:28 AM
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Andershow6 wrote:
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FCK42 wrote:
It's the roll of the dice mate. Random chance. There is no "1 every x kills" guarentee. Long streaks without drops can happen. So can the opposite.
Unlucky? Definitely. Unfair? Maybe. Nerfed? Probably not.
The curious fact is that before I made 67 Catarinas and 13 Orbs dropped.
In this current league I've already done 33 and 2 Orbs dropped.
I know there is probability involved. Rng etc.
However, we know that the Drop rate can be changed. I believe it has been changed.
I believe I'm not the only one who has this perception.
If that is your opinion, then so be it.
I personally don't think it has changed though, but I cannot say that for certain. The sample size is simply far, FAR too small to say anything. To somewhat accurately tell the drop rate, a sample size of multiple thousand Mastermind kills would be needed. All within a single patch mind you, since we don't know if or when drop rates actually get changed.
I make dumb builds, therefore I am.
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Posted byFCK42#0688on Aug 29, 2024, 11:29:37 AM
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Universalis wrote:
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Nomancs wrote:
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Universalis wrote:
from wiki:
In addition, Catarina can also drop:
Veiled Orb: ~30% area level 78+; ~20% area level 73-77; ~15% area level 68-72
"The chance for the Mastermind to drop the Veiled Orb between level 73 and 77 is 33% higher than between level 68 and 72. The chance between level 78 and 83 is 50% higher than between level 73 and 77.
The drop rate of Veiled Orbs at higher area levels appears to have been increased as a result of this change, from approximately 10% to 30%."
=> 2 orbs in 33 runs (i'll consider it's level 83) seems to be very bad luck or wiki is wrong about the 30%, or not up to date because it has been nerfed heh.
Old data from 3.21 - this is about old veiled chsos orb, second part is, but they’re barely related to each other with nearly nonexistent sample size. It is data of some user that run 200 masterminds in 3.21
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Drop rates are crowdsourced in version 3.21.0; sample size 232[1] Actual drop rates may vary.
And with rather small sample size…
So it's too low odds to be relevant. Btw 10 divines for over-betrayal... Not sure it worth it at all, especially since all players are doing Catarina at least 1 or few times just to unlock more or less crafts. And i will not talk about the rewards which are now horrible.
Mostly it is about old veiled chaos orb from 3.21, so different orb. We get more and more loot each league so old content may not look so appealing for people who focus on div/h.
Biggest compliments for my crafted items - "bs, they must have been RMT'ed"
I'm disabled, I have rare case of semperduravera, so I can write things that may look rude, but it is because of disability - I'm forced to tell truth using words you may not like. Last edited by Nomancs#6176 on Aug 29, 2024, 11:34:35 AM
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Posted byNomancs#6176on Aug 29, 2024, 11:31:41 AM
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