Rising awareness about Path of Building unintended negative consequences.

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NationalSecurity wrote:

Baumi may you please make your characters in your profile public? I would like to see them.

Thank you.

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TreeOfDead wrote:

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hasatt0 wrote:

Games can be as complicated and complex as they want to be, that's not a problem.

However, there has to be accurate feedback for player input.

In many instances, PoE does not provide you with enough information to know what's going on.

Take floating damage numbers for instance, they simply do not exist in PoE. If it were a low-budget pixel game, sure no need for numbers but I think it is one of the most important feedback mechanisms that has to be there for a modern RPG. For people who don't like it? Add an option to turn these off.

Even for people who plan their builds on PoB, there is simply no way of knowing how certain interactions will go live in-game. Unfortunately, testing these things in-game is very tedious and time-consuming.

+1

also hope sometimes GGG added pob to core game... pls GGG

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AllMasterKing wrote:

I wanted to share my story here, thanks for reading it.

It has been about 2 years from now on since I have deleted my Path of Building out of curiosity. It all stared as a fun project to see how the game would feel like without it. Before that I was a PoB user like anyone else, since we all are being told that a third party program is required to play the game. But it never really made sense to me. In every other game we play we login -> play the tutorial -> have fun. So I was wondering why do we need multiple hours of "making builds" before we even start playing? Why would be PoE different then other game? 2 years later now, I know the answer. No, it is not different from other games. More than that, if you would really pay attention to the campaign, you would find a more efficient ways that are much easier to understand than PoB. I will leave that as an empty statement, because that would require me to write entire guide here and that is not what I wanted to talk about. Maybe next time. Guys, Path of Building is the worse nightmare for PoE. It really is. And you will not understand that there is a problem until you remove it from your PC and take the PoE campaign seriously.

First there is a day and night difference in fun experience and knowledge depending if you learn from PoB or the campaign. I can't explain it better you need to try it yourself and give it at least a months to notice it. But the fact is I have played maybe around 15k hours PoE before deleting PoB. And in the past 2 years I have learned so much more about the game like never before. That I can tell you.

So why did I learn more about the game when I did not use PoB? What makes the difference? I was looking for answers for my experience. And there is a principle of the human brain. Human brain is an efficient organ, when given external memory (PoB), it stops paying attention (PoE campaign). This made so much sense to me. Because that is exactly what I have experienced. Just think about it. If you solved the game before you login, why would you need to pay attention to anything in PoE campaign tutorial. And as you can imagine that can not be a good thing, if players do not learn the game based on the games tutorial and learn it from a third party tool. It makes absolute no sense. This does not happen in any other game.

Another downside of pushing PoB onto new players in every guide is that PoB increases the entry barrier to the game. How many people are out there wanting to try PoE, but because they have been told you need to learn a third part tool for 1000 hours before you can make a your own build? The fact is the same people who push PoB onto new players, are also the same people who tell them to not to pay any attention to the PoE campaign. I am wondering what is the estimate financial loss for GGG because, content creators who don't know any better are pushing PoB onto new players and as usual others are following them. Never questioning.

There is more to it, but this two are the main ones. The PoE community needs a wide discussion about the negative consequences of PoB and learning the game the right way from campaign. There is a lot to discover. The PoE campaign hides it secrets well. As it should. Path of Exile was designed to be played forever. I have solved the big puzzle. So I want everyone else to know, that there is a lot more to PoE then you can imagine and the first step to find it all out is to remove PoB from your computer.

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Imagine someone playing Brands for the first time, going with Arcanist Brand, and then not realizing until way, way later in the game that the triggered spell doesn't scale with Brand Damage. This can be solved by cracking open a PoB and allocating a node to see if it scales it.

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Yes and no. I say they go in tandem. I'd even argue it's far more likely that a player would check it in the PoB first, see it doesn't scale it, then want to understand WHY it doesn't work.

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

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NationalSecurity wrote:

Baumi may you please make your characters in your profile public? I would like to see them.

Thank you.

No. It's currently set to private for a reason. I don't want Poeninja to index my characters at this time.

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tsunamikun wrote:

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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:

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NationalSecurity wrote:

Baumi may you please make your characters in your profile public? I would like to see them.

Thank you.

No. It's currently set to private for a reason. I don't want Poeninja to index my characters at this time.

You actively need to allow poe.ninja to parse your profile. They won't just parse every open profile.

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stnikolauswagne wrote:

Not true, they parse everyone on the ladder automatically.