t17 too overtuned

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Draegnarrr wrote:

*shrugs* you need to talk to GGG not me on this one, they didn't have drops originally and you'd have a hard time convincing anyone that mapping isn't the cornerstone of endgame. Bosses are incidental and also increasingly irrelevant.

You know mutliple things can be relevant? Both maps and bosses. One doesnt exlude others. Mapping will ofc be most important to most people, but still a lot of players enjoy bossing (even when they do not focus solely on it). People had problems with ubers because they shared fragments with normal bosses meaning running normal boss, instead uber, was just "waste". But like usual for GGG, instead going with simple solution (like making normal bosses drop uber fragments, so you separate both) they went with most convoluted, horrible "solution" that brings even more problems.

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JunkHeadJoePC wrote:

Reading this thread is best done while listening to this....


https://youtu.be/IZWrKHe7fmI

The best version (imo) of this song is a whistled version similar to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqoUE0zFMo

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Aynix wrote:

You know mutliple things can be relevant?

again you need to address that to GGG not me :p what we have right now is in no way a representation of what I think on the matter

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ArtCrusade wrote:

They even added multiple ways of making them easier if you just want completion / get through alive if you play HC

You can utilize
- Packed with Energy Niko tech (easy 3% max res and a solid chunk of damage)
- Huck with Heist equipment for a free level 15 aura + Adrenaline buff
- Domination shrines for lots of temporary power
- Horned Scarab of Awakening to remove either prefixes or suffixes from the map mods (which essentially removes the bad half of mods)

There's plenty more.

Id like to add:

- Allflames to replace all mobs with Rats and Frogs
- Scarab of Containment to cage all mobs in strongboxes and you simply dont release them until after the boss is taken care off
- Scarab of Stability reliably resulting in 8-9 portals or more

Basically allowing us to remove all mobs, collect Nikos mines for extra max res and dmg, walk up to the boss arena, drop a portal and throw yourself at the boss until victory.
Last part applies to SC only for obvious reasons.

8+ Portals or more should be enough to win, unlock the 5th mapdevice slot and then juice T16s as much as you like.

So basically you're saying that the way t17s are intended to be played is for every enemy except the boss to be functionally deleted and you're supposed to engage the boss with an extra 3 max resists, 30% ms, a bunch of inc damage, a free aura from huck and a bunch of various shrine effects alongside extra portals and most of the map mods disabled? That you are suggesting jumping through that many hoops in order to run a map says a great deal about how atrociously designed they are.

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CarbotZergling123 wrote:

So basically you're saying that the way t17s are intended to be played is for every enemy except the boss to be functionally deleted and you're supposed to engage the boss with an extra 3 max resists, 30% ms, a bunch of inc damage, a free aura from huck and a bunch of various shrine effects alongside extra portals and most of the map mods disabled? That you are suggesting jumping through that many hoops in order to run a map says a great deal about how atrociously designed they are.

No, that's not what's being suggested at all.

These are simply options. It is fully up to you and your build if you want to use these options to make the maps easier or have more loot in them. They come with a drawback after all.

They should just add t18, t19 and t20 maps as well and continue until map difficulty hits the roof of the current player power level. Power creep is still way too powerful for any existing content and loot explosions are also a mess since the last two leagues and the current league. So might as well go full in and turn the game even more to Path of Diablo III hoho

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Pashid wrote:

They should just add t18, t19 and t20 maps as well and continue until map difficulty hits the roof of the current player power level. Power creep is still way too powerful for any existing content and loot explosions are also a mess since the last two leagues and the current league. So might as well go full in and turn the game even more to Path of Diablo III hoho

Great idea, t18 - UBER GIGACHAD SHAPER, t19 - UBER GIGACHAD ELDER. t20 - UBER GIGACHAD SIRUS with a 100% drop chance to the void card KEKW


PS: forgot - HOHO

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CarpeDiem444 wrote:

Great idea, t18 - UBER GIGACHAD SHAPER, t19 - UBER GIGACHAD ELDER. t20 - UBER GIGACHAD SIRUS with a 100% drop chance to the void card KEKW


PS: forgot - HOHO

Wouldn't be a bad reuse of old content cause the current weak uber versions are already outmatched by player power since leagues. They should also be mandatory content to unlock map device slots and also only have one portal only.
That would be some meaningful progression system to have just one map slot at the beginning to obviously run maps and get deeper into the endgame and some content pinnacle, maven invitations, ubers, t17 and uber ubers unlock further slots. hoho

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Pashid wrote:

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CarpeDiem444 wrote:

Great idea, t18 - UBER GIGACHAD SHAPER, t19 - UBER GIGACHAD ELDER. t20 - UBER GIGACHAD SIRUS with a 100% drop chance to the void card KEKW


PS: forgot - HOHO

Wouldn't be a bad reuse of old content cause the current weak uber versions are already outmatched by player power since leagues. They should also be mandatory content to unlock map device slots and also only have one portal only.
That would be some meaningful progression system to have just one map slot at the beginning to obviously run maps and get deeper into the endgame and some content pinnacle, maven invitations, ubers, t17 and uber ubers unlock further slots. hoho

XP penalty also needs to be adjusted upwards