GGG - What exactly is your issue with Melee?

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Aynix wrote:

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CAPSLOCK_ON wrote:

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anti4z500 wrote:

every single time some1 even dares to mention something negative about GGG. corpos will eat you alive :D

i'm surprised there's no person here saying melee is fine because they've managed to clear the game with it while disregarding the fact they could do the same more easily on non melee builds

Imagine that just because one method enables you to do something on easy mode doesnt make other method any less viable. Not everyone cares about achieving the goal in easiest, most efficient way. People play games FOR FUN.

if melee is outclassed by everything that's a problem and ggg keeps adding to it with random nerfs

I think we overcomplicate the problem. Melee's biggest #1 problem is that, as a true melee type, you'll be taking much more damage than a ranger. Diablo 3 'solved' this problem by giving melee classes straight up 30% damage reduction or whatever the number was.

Imagine that in Path of Exile. Everyone would just play Marauder or Duelist, because why on earth would you give up that free damage reduction in the 1-shot-wonder of PoE?

also don't forget diablo 3 locked class items and skills to their classes so it's impossible to make an Archon Barbarian, which Path of Exile won't do

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CAPSLOCK_ON wrote:

if melee is outclassed by everything that's a problem and ggg keeps adding to it with random nerfs

Who cares? Only people who want to mixmax entire life. Stop comparing everything and thinking that everything needs to be the same. Do you have less fun knowing that "that other skill" deals more damage? Do you feel forced to play only the best thing that exists and nothing else? THat is on you. That is YOU problem. PoE is not PvP game. You are not losing anything by picking skill that is not in "TOP5 skills you can play!"
There will always be the better and the worse methods, but as long both can achieve end goal, it doesnt matter.

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Aynix wrote:

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CAPSLOCK_ON wrote:

if melee is outclassed by everything that's a problem and ggg keeps adding to it with random nerfs

Who cares?

the constant posts every single league complaining about melee once again not getting any meaningful buffs and some times idiotic nerfs like this league

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mnieradko wrote:

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HurkWurk wrote:

"play POE2"

POE2 melee is a million times worse than POE1, which is quite a dev achievement in itself. GGG able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Hahaha, saw Akaizer's video and was baffled at first, then I skipped over near the end "surely it will get better with some levels and more skill options" and there he was, waiting 5 minutes for an earthquake to finally erupt and take half hp from a pack of white mobs, not to mention the constant going to town to refill flasks.

You'd think after years of development experience better decisions would be made, I'm always impressed by the duality in GGG's design choices, how they can go from amazing stuff to explosive diarreah in a heartbeat.

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Imaginaerum wrote:

Everyone would just play Marauder or Duelist,

A Champion still gets deleted easily even with 4-5k life, determination + grace, and 50-70% attack block. Even throwing in some spell suppression and/or spell block doesn't help much.

The Jugg Marauder then dies about 0.2 seconds slower than the champion with comparable gameplay.

A pack of lightning skeleton mages (which spawn in most maps) are more dangerous these days than most map bosses, even when those bosses are possessed. They fill the screen with their garbage projectiles, spawn in packs of 1000, and kill you from offscreen because "git gud scrub, you got outplayed."

Is anyone surprised that the Gladiator, Assassin, and Berserker are all neglected by the POE1 playerbase when all three have horrible defensees for modern POE, even relative to champ and jugg? Apparently GGG Is both surprised and baffled at this result.

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CAPSLOCK_ON wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

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CAPSLOCK_ON wrote:

if melee is outclassed by everything that's a problem and ggg keeps adding to it with random nerfs

Who cares?

the constant posts every single league complaining about melee once again not getting any meaningful buffs and some times idiotic nerfs like this league

And funny enouhg EVERYONE who makes those threads play only meta skills.
I said it milion times and I will say again. You guys dont complain that melee is bad. You complain that melee is not TOP META because you only play that (and you want to play melee for once but refuse to play it if its not FOTM)

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Aynix wrote:

You complain that melee is not TOP META because you only play that

Being able to do respectable damage while having a fighting chance to reach and kill my target in melee or near melee range, while also not requiring godly gear to do either, is equated to "you want melee to be top meta."

The point flew about 10 miles over your head.

On a side note: is there a feature on some POE website somewhere that has the data tracked for most deaths caused by particular monsters for melee players? I bet the top results would be skeleton mages and goatmen :)

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mnieradko wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

You complain that melee is not TOP META because you only play that

Being able to do respectable damage while having a fighting chance to reach and kill my target in melee or near melee range, while also not requiring godly gear to do either, is equated to "you want melee to be top meta."

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You literally compare melee to TOP meta skills and you complain that melee is worse than them. How about you compare melee builds to skills that were not used for years and no one seems to have problem with it? We have hundreds of skills in the game at this point and only small % of them is actually used "globally". Funny enough, those people who always complain "melee bad" use the best, top meta skills as example to show how "melee is worse".

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Aynix wrote:

And funny enouhg EVERYONE who makes those threads play only meta skills.
I said it milion times and I will say again. You guys dont complain that melee is bad. You complain that melee is not TOP META because you only play that (and you want to play melee for once but refuse to play it if its not FOTM)

You know that's not close to what they are saying. They are saying as everyone knows, PoE is a game of efficiency. If you want to do well you must be more efficient.

How can you write a post like you did yesterday, then say something like this? You know the problem is not that people want melee on top, but that they want melee to be efficiently competitive. Which it is miles from doing.

Please stop misrepresenting and putting words in peoples mouth that they clearly are not saying. It's bad form and beneath you.

Edit: The reason people say Boneshatter so much is because it is the most efficient melee skill there is for league start, and if the best can't do it then they don't need to talk about the rest.