Is over $1,000 in support packs enough for PoE2 Beta Access?

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Pathological wrote:

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HwtChirino wrote:

Yeah, I spent way too much money on this game; it's disgusting and pathetic.

But since I did it already, and I can't take it back, I at least want PoE2 beta access. Unless GGG wants to be a pos and only care about recent purchases.. then I'd be screwed.

Given that no part of any of those purchases discussed future access to GGG betas, why would you think it did?

This is like walking into a Ferrari store and saying "hey, I want you to refund me the $1000 cash back from that new model Ferrari coming out.. I bought 3 Ferraris in the past, so clearly I deserve it."

Incentives and sales work to induce future monetary income, not to cost the company money at the expense of previous ones. They might decide to set a financial threshold for beta access, but not because it's a financially smart decision.

More like- I'd like to be able to test drive the next model since I'm such a good customer.

Boy, analogies are fun!

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superbomb1967 wrote:

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Pathological wrote:

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HwtChirino wrote:

Yeah, I spent way too much money on this game; it's disgusting and pathetic.

But since I did it already, and I can't take it back, I at least want PoE2 beta access. Unless GGG wants to be a pos and only care about recent purchases.. then I'd be screwed.

Given that no part of any of those purchases discussed future access to GGG betas, why would you think it did?

This is like walking into a Ferrari store and saying "hey, I want you to refund me the $1000 cash back from that new model Ferrari coming out.. I bought 3 Ferraris in the past, so clearly I deserve it."

Incentives and sales work to induce future monetary income, not to cost the company money at the expense of previous ones. They might decide to set a financial threshold for beta access, but not because it's a financially smart decision.

More like- I'd like to be able to test drive the next model since I'm such a good customer.

Boy, analogies are fun!

At most high end retailers the top spenders do get special amenities.. Dealership, LV, you name it...

Would you not give someone special access when theyre supporting your product in such a way?

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leto2626 wrote:

I've spent at least 4x that amount and I don't even want beta access. I love playing finished products. PoE 2 seems a lot more like work than PoE 1, so a beta would feel like double shift and not getting paid for it. I'll pass, I'm already sad enough my PoE money went to a dark souls game, I don't need more depressive thoughts in my life.

I feel this so hard. As awesome as it was being a part of PoE's earlier days and some of the testing, there is a joy to be found in being an end user gamer with no relationship to said game beyond pure enjoyment. Seeing certain changes made to PoE based on feedback was great but it's an exception to the rule: few people wanr the same thing from a game as flexible as PoE. With a finished game as product, give or take, you typically can't be as disappointed because you generally don't know what else might have been.

I never, ever saw whatever contributions I made to PoE as work, and yet the actual playing did feel like it. A strange paradox, given some of the things I did for PoE were work-lite: forum moderation, some light typo hunting in alpha builds. The play itself was far...far more stressful imo. So many moving parts just to kill shit. No thanks.

PoE cured me of early access desires - - I had it for Last Epoch and barely touched it to be honest. I'd rather play an older, finished game these days rather than feel any sort of need to keep up with a volatile work in progress. Naturally there's a LOT of crossover now that games are far too complicated for any one QA team and it's almost impossible not to be involved in some sort of mass beta by proxy... But as long as a game's updates post launch are mostly technical and not mechanical (ie fixing performance rather than fucking with balance) I am good.

Elden Ring really broke a bunch of us with its solidity, I imagine. Zero mtxes. Huge handmade world. Great combat. A mount that truly matters. Dozens if not hundreds of builds. Voluntary multiplayer. No real need for third party tools. Damn hard to go back to any sort of service game or early access guinea pig testing ground after that one.