I hope GGG sticks to their vision of a slower PoE 2

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arandan wrote:

It's certainly going to start off much slower, even in endgame, not ruthless level of slow, maybe somewhere in between.

Then, however, crybabies are gonna start wailing and GGG will have to face the music and either tell them to:

1) go play poe 1 if they want that level of zoom
2) adjust and stfu
or
3) cave in.

And we all know which option is gonna be chosen and so a few patches down the line, poe 2 is gonna be turned into a very similar visual and mechanical clusterfuck that we can presently enjoy.

At this point I get more enjoyment from playing poe1 in POB, than in game, go figure.

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jdp29 wrote:

It's worth pointing out, that the players we saw playing POE2 were massive POE fans. This isn't a knock on them, but it does mean that they would be less objective when talking about how the game played and how they think it will be in the future. Heck, it's already happening, with people convinced POE2 will be faster for xxxx reason.

Here's the issue, that slow gameplay did NOT do GGG any favors. They had to know that their core audience wants to zoom. With that in mind, why would they show something that goes against the grain that much?

Most likely they want to gather a new audience, and for that they need slower gameplay. In fact, and I think it's been said again, it looks like they want the Dark Souls audience with that slow gameplay and some other mechanics they are adding.

So I wouldn't expect any zoomy gameplay from POE2, especially if they are trying to capture a new Darksouls audience, and if they want to resest the game back to closer what it was on release.

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Jgizle wrote:

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jdp29 wrote:

It's worth pointing out, that the players we saw playing POE2 were massive POE fans. This isn't a knock on them, but it does mean that they would be less objective when talking about how the game played and how they think it will be in the future. Heck, it's already happening, with people convinced POE2 will be faster for xxxx reason.

Here's the issue, that slow gameplay did NOT do GGG any favors. They had to know that their core audience wants to zoom. With that in mind, why would they show something that goes against the grain that much?

Most likely they want to gather a new audience, and for that they need slower gameplay. In fact, and I think it's been said again, it looks like they want the Dark Souls audience with that slow gameplay and some other mechanics they are adding.

So I wouldn't expect any zoomy gameplay from POE2, especially if they are trying to capture a new Darksouls audience, and if they want to resest the game back to closer what it was on release.

This is just not true. GGG have said literally non stop they have no plans to significantly decrease the speed of gameplay in PoE 2. It is intended to be a small percentage slower, from the top end, an area most players have never even experienced, in order to allow monsters even at the top end of builds to at least get a single hit in so that having good defense's does not get overly negated by having an enormous surplus of offense. It is kind of hard for any gameplay to exist at all when everything is dying off screen before the enemies can even try to attack you. That is what is being reduced.

People who have this insane idea that early gameplay is slow, so mapping is going to be slow is ridiculous. On top of that they keep reiterating that is not the case.

The fact that Chris Wilson said maybe they should showcase the end game so peoples fears will be sated, but has not done so yet, is probably due to the fact that a lot of the unique items have not actually been made, and that's kind of important to end game build crafting. Its not like they can just carry stuff over 1 to 1 from PoE 1 to PoE 2, especially with the multiple 6 link skills, and all the changes involved to make that happen.

Let's try not to judge the product before it has even come out. GGG is a great company, and this is the 1st time we will get to see a completely professional made product from them. This game called PoE we have enjoyed for the last decade has just been add ons and tweaks to the original game from long ago. Now we are getting something professional from the ground up. Don't cut them down so quickly.

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WickedSausage#2727 wrote:

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Pashid wrote:

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WickedSausage wrote:

-less zoomy speed, means you dont spend as much time sorting stash between maps.

Like the other guy mentioned, you kill less stuff which pretty much takes the purpose of a arpg hack&slay. The hack&slay part just disappears and you end up with a game like D4 with barely any mob slaughter fun.

It's like going to McDonald's to order a cheese burger but with the request to remove the cheese from the burger.

Actually Path of Exile started off in a very different way and people mocked it for being so slow. And over the years they have worked on increasing it to a level that really is far, far more extreme then most typical ARPGs out there.

Both sides of the spectrum has its advantages and disadvantages. I certainly dont want it to go back to PoE 2013, just to be clear.

But currently the problem becomes when you no longer can tell whats happening. For the enemies to pose a threat they too need to be boosted in speed, damage, random unique effect etc...
It gets to a point then where its not much options besides just chugging pots and holding down left mouse button.
As soon as something goes wrong, like getting frozen or some other unforeseen thing, its not really possible to adapt to it.

What looks so great about PoE 2 is that you actually seem encourage to use a combination of abilies, the effects are not blinding everything and they want you to avoid mechanics.