Please explain to me how casual are supposed to enjoy poe?

you said it yourself, ubers aren't designed for casual players.

and looking at your gear, I don't understand how your gear can be so bad at level 91, your jewelries arent even good enough for act 6, you dont have any additional gem level mod anywhere, the helmet is extremely bad and has no life, your damage isn't fully converted to cold, your level 1 empower does nothing for the build... there's no such thing as wrong or weak builds, you simply have terrible gear and it's actually impressive you made it this far

you're playing an inquisitor with inevitable judgement, scaling cold damage, and only 40% of your damage is converted to cold... oh and I've just noticed, your resists aren't even capped...

I love it when people play stuff like this and blame the game.

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auspexa wrote:

I love it when people play stuff like this and blame the game.

It's easier to bark ''GGG bad'' lmao

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Phrazz wrote:

As a casual, I enjoy the game because I don't feel like i HAVE to do everything. As a casual, I enjoy the game because I don't measure my progress based on non-casual players. As a casual, I enjoy the game because I don't need "BiS" items.

I'm just totally OK with the fact that non-casual players can achieve more than me. There's tons of stuff for me to enjoy, without me being bummed out by the things I cannot do.

I play a lot of tennis too, casually. I'm also totally fine with not being able to do everything Medvedev, Nadal and Dokovic do.

You aren't stopped from any game modes in tennis though. You could play doubles if you wanted to, or use the doubles rules for court size and play with another player, or anything else. Sure, you can't serve 100 MPH (I assume), but that translates to player skill, not build, and that's a big part of the issue. There's builds that simply don't function well in certain areas of POE, no matter how much skill is involved. Take EA for example, it's pretty good in blight, but boy its bad in Legion, no matter how much skill you have. While technically you aren't stopped from playing it, it does become a waste of time because the rewards are so miniscule.
And let me tell you, it does suck when the build you spent tens of hours building up doesn't work in the league specific mechanic.
That's what made Sentinel so good, any build could do it. Sure, some might do better, but no one was completely hozed.
I also suspect you like the game regardless of the league mechanic, which is fine. But after years and years of the same thing, some people need the league mechanic to jive with them in order to have fun.

Casuals can run a couple of T16 maps and then log into d4 for some relaxing side-quests.

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Mighnichelix wrote:

It's not ur problem, game is dying right now.
Shit meta, no more expansion, balance sucks deep. Defence bad af, if u dont use meta def of course

This game is STILL dying? Leagues aren't an EXPANSION every four months? Can't tank and kill everything at zoom-zoom speed like SOME streamers?

I will quote a very wise man: "ho ho".

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jdp29 wrote:

You aren't stopped from any game modes in tennis though. You could play doubles if you wanted to, or use the doubles rules for court size and play with another player, or anything else. Sure, you can't serve 100 MPH (I assume), but that translates to player skill, not build, and that's a big part of the issue. There's builds that simply don't function well in certain areas of POE, no matter how much skill is involved. Take EA for example, it's pretty good in blight, but boy its bad in Legion, no matter how much skill you have. While technically you aren't stopped from playing it, it does become a waste of time because the rewards are so miniscule.
And let me tell you, it does suck when the build you spent tens of hours building up doesn't work in the league specific mechanic.
That's what made Sentinel so good, any build could do it. Sure, some might do better, but no one was completely hozed.
I also suspect you like the game regardless of the league mechanic, which is fine. But after years and years of the same thing, some people need the league mechanic to jive with them in order to have fun.

You have a few decent points, and I made (some of) the same complaints in Sanctum, and how Sanctum gave the finger to CqC melee builds. But that was a whole archetype. I don't really feel that is the case in TOTA. Sure, some builds are better at it than others, but it's not like they are totally forgetting that an archetype exists.

PoE is a game filled to the rim with years of mechanics. Some builds shine at one thing, while others shine at other things. If every single league mechanics, skill and build were designed from the ground up to be equally "good" versus everything, I think this game would feel as diverse as a white wall. Even popular builds like RF have weaknesses unless you pump them full of currency, and I think that's a good thing.

And yes, I like the core game. If I didn't, I would spend my time on something else. And if you have played for "years and years", you probably have the knowledge to build something that works with the content you want to do. Sure, that is harder when it comes to an unknown league mechanic, but it's possible.

TLDR: When whole archetypes are being given the finger by the league mechanics, I agree: It's bad. When one build here and there are being given the finger? I just think that's diversity; builds playing differently, shining at different things.

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Phrazz wrote:

As a casual, I enjoy the game because I don't feel like i HAVE to do everything. As a casual, I enjoy the game because I don't measure my progress based on non-casual players. As a casual, I enjoy the game because I don't need "BiS" items.

I'm just totally OK with the fact that non-casual players can achieve more than me. There's tons of stuff for me to enjoy, without me being bummed out by the things I cannot do.

I play a lot of tennis too, casually. I'm also totally fine with not being able to do everything Medvedev, Nadal and Dokovic do.

You aren't stopped from any game modes in tennis though. You could play doubles if you wanted to, or use the doubles rules for court size and play with another player, or anything else. Sure, you can't serve 100 MPH (I assume), but that translates to player skill, not build, and that's a big part of the issue. There's builds that simply don't function well in certain areas of POE, no matter how much skill is involved. Take EA for example, it's pretty good in blight, but boy its bad in Legion, no matter how much skill you have. While technically you aren't stopped from playing it, it does become a waste of time because the rewards are so miniscule.
And let me tell you, it does suck when the build you spent tens of hours building up doesn't work in the league specific mechanic.
That's what made Sentinel so good, any build could do it. Sure, some might do better, but no one was completely hozed.
I also suspect you like the game regardless of the league mechanic, which is fine. But after years and years of the same thing, some people need the league mechanic to jive with them in order to have fun.

But it's very unlikely you'll get the chance to do the pinnacle bosses like Nadal. And if you DO get the chance, it's unlikely you'll win.

The only reward-money that is handed out in tennis is when the ubers battle against each others, the reward for casuals is most likely the "burning" fat thing.

We poor sobs that don´t have that basically get nothing for doing "tennis" but sometimes still require the skill to entertain the children.

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jdp29 wrote:

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Phrazz wrote:

As a casual, I enjoy the game because I don't feel like i HAVE to do everything. As a casual, I enjoy the game because I don't measure my progress based on non-casual players. As a casual, I enjoy the game because I don't need "BiS" items.

I'm just totally OK with the fact that non-casual players can achieve more than me. There's tons of stuff for me to enjoy, without me being bummed out by the things I cannot do.

I play a lot of tennis too, casually. I'm also totally fine with not being able to do everything Medvedev, Nadal and Dokovic do.

You aren't stopped from any game modes in tennis though. You could play doubles if you wanted to, or use the doubles rules for court size and play with another player, or anything else. Sure, you can't serve 100 MPH (I assume), but that translates to player skill, not build, and that's a big part of the issue. There's builds that simply don't function well in certain areas of POE, no matter how much skill is involved. Take EA for example, it's pretty good in blight, but boy its bad in Legion, no matter how much skill you have. While technically you aren't stopped from playing it, it does become a waste of time because the rewards are so miniscule.
And let me tell you, it does suck when the build you spent tens of hours building up doesn't work in the league specific mechanic.
That's what made Sentinel so good, any build could do it. Sure, some might do better, but no one was completely hozed.
I also suspect you like the game regardless of the league mechanic, which is fine. But after years and years of the same thing, some people need the league mechanic to jive with them in order to have fun.

ARe you really trying to defend that, in the way you do? The other person is totally correct when he says, because US Open exist (ongoing so ...) and someone can win it or even just be part in the qualification as some players must do (I hope it is not just Wimbledon or they changed it, but you know what I mean) to enter the real tournament it doesnt mean everybody should be able to do it.

You say that is player skill but in PoE it about builds. Thats wrong by case I say. To be best or that good so you at least are in the ATP ranking (or similar in PoE, ubers?, I don't know exactly) it is about skills. When you say build - it is like saying, lefthanded players are a bad build, or tennis players with Wilson (I have no clue who plays with what brand) can't win or do good, it takes a lot more for them.

In fact everything is about skill. You can follow a build, you can do it by your own, play melee with a Ranger och go whatever way you want. When you don't "succeed" it is because of you. You can't play tennes and then use a table tennis racket - it wont work so good, and you cant have a crappy build in PoE either.

That doesnt mean everything needs to be balanced so all skills and all weapons and so on is the same so all build have it as easy as another. If you want it as easy as possible for you, then you need your specific build, while I need another one. And I just create my own builds in this game. But I am at least in a shop selling tennis stuff. The one who is in a table tenneis shop will get it hard. Follow a D4 guide and think you will succed in PoE is maybe in a computer store? Totally lost!

Different play styles is needed depnding on what you play. And all "builds" have thier pros and cons. For me, melee is harder, and it is mostly because of me even if the big mass think its harder, but the most people also think it is harder to play with the left hand in tennis.

This is the way you need to compare it. Other you are discussing "equal outcome" and that is the part that will make a game bad. We both have the same possibilities when starting the game by mechanic, that is all we need. Some have played games for 40 years, other for two months. Doesnt matter.

It also suck yo me the best player in tennis to serve and then playing on clay. It also suck if you have certain other builds that make you a good tennis player. Hve you ever thought of why there is so few people that have won all the big ones (just count either US or Australian open, both on Hard). Because it is like "blight, abyss, breach or what all names are - truly I don't know.

Poe is not about skill tho. Its about knowledge and memorization. You are NOT competing against real people, but against a fairly weak and predictable AI. Is avoiding Shaper slams really skill or a simple memorization of sounds, skill pattern and previous experience?