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chungexintu wrote:
Hello and sorry for my poor English,
I'm looking for a uber boss killer build now and really want to try this. but with a small budget around 120EX, I think I can only copy your first POB with lvl 98 and Melding of the Flesh. and I have some questions about this build:
about damage: never played a corps detonation build before so dont understand how to calculate the DPS. the POB shows that the DPS of cremation is only 2.1m, which may be kind of too low for end game content, is this the real damage scale?
about tankness: is this build able to face tank uber bosses? i'm so tired of being 1 shotted by uber bosses with my current build.
thank you
about damage : no that is just per corpse explosion. You spawn around 24-30 corpses per second.
Tankiness: I am able to facetank everything but multiple uber exarch balls to the face with the set up im currently running, altho it is quite high investment. When i was running the non crit set up, IE the first POB i was not able to face tank every uber mechanic.
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Posted byayokay4200#1341on Jun 22, 2022, 10:41:24 AM
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chungexintu wrote:
Hello and sorry for my poor English,
I'm looking for a uber boss killer build now and really want to try this. but with a small budget around 120EX, I think I can only copy your first POB with lvl 98 and Melding of the Flesh. and I have some questions about this build:
about damage: never played a corps detonation build before so dont understand how to calculate the DPS. the POB shows that the DPS of cremation is only 2.1m, which may be kind of too low for end game content, is this the real damage scale?
about tankness: is this build able to face tank uber bosses? i'm so tired of being 1 shotted by uber bosses with my current build.
thank you
about damage : no that is just per corpse explosion. You spawn around 24-30 corpses per second.
Tankiness: I am able to facetank everything but multiple uber exarch balls to the face with the set up im currently running, altho it is quite high investment. When i was running the non crit set up, IE the first POB i was not able to face tank every uber mechanic.
If you were to scale the non-crit version for defenses you could very nicely tank the non-degen uber content. But we're talking 100% spell suppression 8k+ es, 30-40% phys taken as ele, Mageblood, and melding. ^^
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Posted byGryphenprey#0653on Jun 22, 2022, 11:30:40 AM
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Gryphenprey wrote:
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ayokay4200 wrote:
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chungexintu wrote:
Hello and sorry for my poor English,
I'm looking for a uber boss killer build now and really want to try this. but with a small budget around 120EX, I think I can only copy your first POB with lvl 98 and Melding of the Flesh. and I have some questions about this build:
about damage: never played a corps detonation build before so dont understand how to calculate the DPS. the POB shows that the DPS of cremation is only 2.1m, which may be kind of too low for end game content, is this the real damage scale?
about tankness: is this build able to face tank uber bosses? i'm so tired of being 1 shotted by uber bosses with my current build.
thank you
about damage : no that is just per corpse explosion. You spawn around 24-30 corpses per second.
Tankiness: I am able to facetank everything but multiple uber exarch balls to the face with the set up im currently running, altho it is quite high investment. When i was running the non crit set up, IE the first POB i was not able to face tank every uber mechanic.
If you were to scale the non-crit version for defenses you could very nicely tank the non-degen uber content. But we're talking 100% spell suppression 8k+ es, 30-40% phys taken as ele, Mageblood, and melding. ^^
Agreed, a lot of investment but totally worth it.
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Posted byayokay4200#1341on Jun 22, 2022, 2:59:10 PM
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ayokay4200 wrote:
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chungexintu wrote:
Hello and sorry for my poor English,
I'm looking for a uber boss killer build now and really want to try this. but with a small budget around 120EX, I think I can only copy your first POB with lvl 98 and Melding of the Flesh. and I have some questions about this build:
about damage: never played a corps detonation build before so dont understand how to calculate the DPS. the POB shows that the DPS of cremation is only 2.1m, which may be kind of too low for end game content, is this the real damage scale?
about tankness: is this build able to face tank uber bosses? i'm so tired of being 1 shotted by uber bosses with my current build.
thank you
about damage : no that is just per corpse explosion. You spawn around 24-30 corpses per second.
Tankiness: I am able to facetank everything but multiple uber exarch balls to the face with the set up im currently running, altho it is quite high investment. When i was running the non crit set up, IE the first POB i was not able to face tank every uber mechanic.
24-30 X 2.1m damage per second?!?! that's rally CRAZY. and for tnkness, though the first POB version can't face tank uber boss, will it be often randomly 1 shotted? i can evade the most deadly hits like exarch's rolling magma ball or sirus's dead beam, but now i just keep being randomly 1 shotted with about 150K ehp when fighting uber bosses... as the POB shows, this build has 1.5M ehp, dunno if it's enough to fight uber bosses for a noob player who dont really knows the bosses very well.
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Posted bychungexintu#0708on Jun 22, 2022, 3:35:24 PM
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Gryphenprey wrote:
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ayokay4200 wrote:
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chungexintu wrote:
Hello and sorry for my poor English,
I'm looking for a uber boss killer build now and really want to try this. but with a small budget around 120EX, I think I can only copy your first POB with lvl 98 and Melding of the Flesh. and I have some questions about this build:
about damage: never played a corps detonation build before so dont understand how to calculate the DPS. the POB shows that the DPS of cremation is only 2.1m, which may be kind of too low for end game content, is this the real damage scale?
about tankness: is this build able to face tank uber bosses? i'm so tired of being 1 shotted by uber bosses with my current build.
thank you
about damage : no that is just per corpse explosion. You spawn around 24-30 corpses per second.
Tankiness: I am able to facetank everything but multiple uber exarch balls to the face with the set up im currently running, altho it is quite high investment. When i was running the non crit set up, IE the first POB i was not able to face tank every uber mechanic.
If you were to scale the non-crit version for defenses you could very nicely tank the non-degen uber content. But we're talking 100% spell suppression 8k+ es, 30-40% phys taken as ele, Mageblood, and melding. ^^
eh... mageblood may be a forever dream to a new player like me XD. with my budget i think i can do no more than copying your first POB, which has only 5.7K es, no mageblood or spell suppression from gears. i'v no doubt that it can easily clear any normal content in this game but just for uber bosses, if i can try to follow the mechanism and evade the most deadly hits, will it still be often randomly 1 shotted?
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Posted bychungexintu#0708on Jun 22, 2022, 3:49:04 PM
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chungexintu wrote:
eh... mageblood may be a forever dream to a new player like me XD. with my budget i think i can do no more than copying your first POB, which has only 5.7K es, no mageblood or spell suppression from gears. i'v no doubt that it can easily clear any normal content in this game but just for uber bosses, if i can try to follow the mechanism and evade the most deadly hits, will it still be often randomly 1 shotted?
I mean you should be fine. You could even get spell suppression onto the non-crit version without too much difficulty.
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Posted byGryphenprey#0653on Jun 22, 2022, 9:57:32 PM
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Quick thought - how about an unnatural instinct in the top left scion jewel wheel (taking mana nodes) instead of pathing to blast radius? Lose 20% area damage but seems to offer quite a bit to make up for it, esp. with zealot's oath.
Also, how much DPS are you sacrificing to get 100% suppression? I fiddled with quite a few ways to hit 100% suppression and mostly end up at a 20% decrease (at least the number in PoB is 20% smaller).
Also about calculating DPS: the DPS calculation in PoB takes cast speed into account but you're not actually casting cremation. So I think you should calculate DPS by average hit * 24 (no woke GMP) assuming you can generate enough corpses with unearth (which you almost always should be able to), right? If so, you can get PoB to automatically calculate for you by artificially inflating your cast speed to either 800% and looking at full DPS with cremation set to 3 or scale it to 2400% I guess :D
Actually I wouldn't even believe that because I think cremation corpse explosions are getting scaling from GMP but it shouldn't.
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Posted bytotalnewbie#3746on Jun 24, 2022, 3:42:57 AM
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totalnewbie wrote:
Quick thought - how about an unnatural instinct in the top left scion jewel wheel (taking mana nodes) instead of pathing to blast radius? Lose 20% area damage but seems to offer quite a bit to make up for it, esp. with zealot's oath.
Also, how much DPS are you sacrificing to get 100% suppression? I fiddled with quite a few ways to hit 100% suppression and mostly end up at a 20% decrease (at least the number in PoB is 20% smaller).
Also about calculating DPS: the DPS calculation in PoB takes cast speed into account but you're not actually casting cremation. So I think you should calculate DPS by average hit * 24 (no woke GMP) assuming you can generate enough corpses with unearth (which you almost always should be able to), right? If so, you can get PoB to automatically calculate for you by artificially inflating your cast speed to either 800% and looking at full DPS with cremation set to 3 or scale it to 2400% I guess :D
Actually I wouldn't even believe that because I think cremation corpse explosions are getting scaling from GMP but it shouldn't.
A 20% decrease sounds about right. That's not overly concerning to me though.
And yes for DPS calculation take the Average Hit and multiply that by your projectiles per second which is typically 8 per geyser (10 with Dying Sun, 11 with woke GMP). And yes, we produce plenty of corpses with Unearth.
As for the AOE nodes. They're flex points. They went into the spell suppression wheel for me. xD
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Posted byGryphenprey#0653on Jun 24, 2022, 2:10:11 PM
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Hey, all i'm finishing up my last build for the moment - this one, I'm going to for crit version with spell suppress - I'm not very good with pob, but why don't we use ele pen enchant on the boots? I added it to the pob of your crit version - and it had no effect on dps at all ( yeapp, i checked out that option * Have you killed recently * is not enabled
3.13 Was the best league ever!
3.18 Rest in peace my beloved recombinators, I'm gonna miss you...
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Posted byAnngrat#4621on Jun 25, 2022, 5:19:07 AM
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1 more question is, why link a GMP to cremation? the damage of cremation mainly comes from the corpse explosion right? it says that cremation explores a corpse when firing a projectile, so GMP makes cremation exploring 5 more corpses per wave?
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Posted bychungexintu#0708on Jun 25, 2022, 9:34:16 AM
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