👻3.20👻 Kay's Summoner💥SRS Bomber💀Poison SRS💀Melee SRS🕷️Spiders💀Skeleton Mages

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ShmooDude wrote:

Right, but that's because the only source is Ghastly Jewels. They also just nerfed the base damage of all minions, I think (hope) with the intent for flat damage to make up for it.

At highest tier:
Ghastly Jewels ~20-30
Rings ~23-43 (attack)
Wands ~50-90 (spell) or ~100-180 (attack)

So potentially a weapon's flat damage is worth 3-6x Ghastly Jewel mods.

But yeah, as far as crafting difficulty, they said they're improving it, but whether the weighting is such that it's enough to make reasonable items for a reasonable price will determine if this is an issue or not (because you're right, the weighting on convoking wands as it is now is abysmal). Flat damage to spells is currently pretty high weighting on wands, so if the minion version is similar, it might not be too bad to craft.

Of course if they don't add flat damage mods... I think minions will probably end up worse off except for the very high end, which would be sad.

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Vaildez wrote:

My other concern is that +2 minions will essentially greatly inflate the price of summoner chests from people trying to vaal for it.

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I think a lot of people confused about the skele mod.

skele mod looks like this:

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"active_skill_minion_added_damage_+%_final"

It's just for added damage like from Ghastly eye.

Base damage mod doesn't have 'added'

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"active_skill_minion_damage_+%_final"

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kayella wrote:

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Vaildez wrote:

My other concern is that +2 minions will essentially greatly inflate the price of summoner chests from people trying to vaal for it.

It's good for temporary minions btw! They can benefit from duration and minion mod.

Could be BiS SRS Body with +2/+2 minion!

or +2/+2 calamity for HoP...

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Vaildez wrote:

I do think the changes with SRS, Phantasm, and Holy relic will make acts a lot less annoying as a minion player. It also helps having availability of minion affix items like weapon early on. I just have a hard time imagining SRS not driving me crazy while mapping.

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kayella wrote:

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Vaildez wrote:

I do think the changes with SRS, Phantasm, and Holy relic will make acts a lot less annoying as a minion player. It also helps having availability of minion affix items like weapon early on. I just have a hard time imagining SRS not driving me crazy while mapping.

Relic seems more like mid game? Need the helmet to get 2 of them and need CDR for optimum activation.

Melee SRS should be OK. It's not too bad for mapping. But recasting all the time was annoying so I switched to golems. I made a new experimental build popcorn build though! Less casting and more automatic summoning. Not sure if it survived the patch yet!

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Deadandlivin wrote:

GGG mentioned this in the patchnotes:


So they said that at gem level 20 all minions should have recieved a ~20% dmg nerf. You think this is slapped on top of all other nerfs?

For example, Skeleton Mages recieved a blanket ~25% dmg nerf:


So in total, mages in this case would have recieved a ~45% dmg nerf from the skill gem nerfs alone if we disregard the removal of the 50% more added dmg multiplier. Keep in mind that this totally disregards the nerfs to power and Frenzy Charges so I think we're still looking at MASSIVE dmg nerfs across the board for mages.

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Generally minion life and damage is unchanged in the very early game. 30% lower at gem level 1.

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DontRepairYourselfMind wrote:

If you just compare ascendancies... Guardian are better for minions then necro now, except phys spectres maybe?

Should we swap from necro to guardian? - charges,20% free all res, +30AOE, 10 more dmg, 30 inc damage, 40% attack and movement speed, 80% curse res. Just from ascend.