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Actually that's the problem / dead end and why i did not pick this variation.
Surely you can stuff evasion andb block on top of dodge, but DPS is low for all that EHP and raider has nowhere to go basically because tree start does not favour a crit caster, which you'd want to be on softcore eventually, unless you have insane budget to scale ele overload variant to tens of millions of dps.
So raider is only carried by op bf/bb skill on top of op support that is archmage, but can't go high crit with other skills and dps ceiling is fairly limited.
Hiero walks away perfectly fine.
Actually the combo of perma phasing, perma boosted onslaught and elemental ailment immunity are super useful. Phasing is a god send in Ultimatums and you can just run through mobs super fast in a circle and cast bfbb once your safe.
Currently the only things that can kill me are stunlocks and silence but there's gear to mitigate that, I could go more stun recovery and try getting something against silence and id be VERY hard to kill.
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Posted byAndersonsan#1519on Apr 28, 2021, 6:46:36 PM
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Actually that's the problem / dead end and why i did not pick this variation.
Surely you can stuff evasion andb block on top of dodge, but DPS is low for all that EHP and raider has nowhere to go basically because tree start does not favour a crit caster, which you'd want to be on softcore eventually, unless you have insane budget to scale ele overload variant to tens of millions of dps.
So raider is only carried by op bf/bb skill on top of op support that is archmage, but can't go high crit with other skills and dps ceiling is fairly limited.
Hiero walks away perfectly fine.
Actually the combo of perma phasing, perma boosted onslaught and elemental ailment immunity are super useful. Phasing is a god send in Ultimatums and you can just run through mobs super fast in a circle and cast bfbb once your safe.
Currently the only things that can kill me are stunlocks and silence but there's gear to mitigate that, I could go more stun recovery and try getting something against silence and id be VERY hard to kill.
There's no point in trying to argue with someone who's exclusively trying to tailor their argument to win, even if on false grounds. In the post before that he claimed that running jade = lawl because he didn't understand it's interaction with AotC and WD. Now he's spewing that he did know, it just wasn't for him.
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Posted byChemistHCSSF#2067on Apr 28, 2021, 6:50:17 PM
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I won't ever bash somebody for presenting an argument that is backed by logic, intent to learn, or discussion in general. When they make a statement and then refuse to link a PoB or give explanations/numbers for what they're saying and continue to rant on in an attempt to preserve paper dignity, they're simply not being constructive or trying to have a two-way conversation.
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Posted byChemistHCSSF#2067on Apr 28, 2021, 6:54:46 PM
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Didn't say that, raider abuses dodge the best because of wind dancer and avatar of the chase, dodge on a templar is hilariously bad. Explain how you eventually go into crit and clusters with that pathing. I'd love to know.
Very easy, by dropping whole ranger branch, agnostic and dodge entirely, as well as bf/bb as main spell, which is a simple thing mentioned multiple times and you obviously fail to grasp or pretend to keep pushing your pob warrior line of your variation's superiority.
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When they make a statement and then refuse to link a PoB
Sorry to break it to your superiour buildership, but i don't PoB my builds, it's not someone's variation, and i can't link something that does not exist, what was shared is mostly anecdotal experience.
It's a variation i made on my own with intent of sticking with archmage but not with bf/bb.
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Posted byWrongBlight#4433on Apr 28, 2021, 6:58:00 PM
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Didn't say that, raider abuses dodge the best because of wind dancer and avatar of the chase, dodge on a templar is hilariously bad. Explain how you eventually go into crit and clusters with that pathing. I'd love to know.
Very easy, by dropping whole ranger branch, agnostic and dodge entirely, as well as bf/bb as main spell, which is a simple thing mentioned multiple times and you obviously fail to grasp or pretend to keep pushing your pob warrior line of your variation's superiority.
so lose your entire preventative layer, drop the most broken overlap skill in the game on a build scaling flat lightning damage, and spend the same amount to end with similar damage and terrible defenses. LOL. Big Ducks inquisitor but worse damage, I get it now!
You don't PoB your builds. Why are you arguing then idgi, how could you possibly understand what's good and bad? PoE tooltips? Feel? lol.
Just on paper alone without factoring in the exponential surge of play the build has seen in competitive play and non competitive play, you're wrong.
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Posted byChemistHCSSF#2067on Apr 28, 2021, 7:03:55 PM
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Didn't say that, raider abuses dodge the best because of wind dancer and avatar of the chase, dodge on a templar is hilariously bad. Explain how you eventually go into crit and clusters with that pathing. I'd love to know.
Very easy, by dropping whole ranger branch, agnostic and dodge entirely, as well as bf/bb as main spell, which is a simple thing mentioned multiple times and you obviously fail to grasp or pretend to keep pushing your pob warrior line of your variation's superiority.
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When they make a statement and then refuse to link a PoB
Sorry to break it to your superiour buildership, but i don't PoB my builds, it's not someone's variation, and i can't link something that does not exist, what was shared is mostly anecdotal experience.
It's a variation i made on my own with intent of sticking with archmage but not with bf/bb.
I guess what I don't understand, you say your superior buildership as if being facetious. Do you actually think you make better builds then chemist?
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Posted byItsLippy#0152on Apr 28, 2021, 7:11:32 PM
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Currently the only things that can kill me are stunlocks and silence
Silence is a curse, slap "of Warding" on your enduring mana flask and that shouldn't be a problem anymore.
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Posted byb1os#5919on Apr 28, 2021, 7:17:08 PM
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WrongBlight wrote:
Very easy, by dropping whole ranger branch, agnostic and dodge entirely, as well as bf/bb as main spell, which is a simple thing mentioned multiple times and you obviously fail to grasp or pretend to keep pushing your pob warrior line of your variation's superiority.
As a courtesy, do you think you could stop clogging up the discussion of this Raider Archmage BF/BB build with your boosting of some other build that isn't a Raider and doesn't use BF/BB?
I'm sure there are forums more suitable for "which build is better?" debates. But this thread is for questions and discussion of this build. If you have a suggestion to improve it, that's cool, but "don't play Raider, and don't use BF/BB as your main spell" is not a suggestion to "improve" this build.
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Posted byst0rmie#0059on Apr 28, 2021, 7:21:22 PM
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What's the most efficient use of Pantheon points for this build? (If it's posted in first post sorry couldn't find it)
Great build by the way, glad I got 90% of the gear for it super early, everything is so expensive now.
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Posted bydemomomo#5875on Apr 28, 2021, 7:25:11 PM
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What's the most efficient use of Pantheon points for this build? (If it's posted in first post sorry couldn't find it)
Great build by the way, glad I got 90% of the gear for it super early, everything is so expensive now.
Lunaris/brine king + Grukthul
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Posted byChemistHCSSF#2067on Apr 28, 2021, 7:58:46 PM
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