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Deadandlivin wrote:
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DontThinkJustClick wrote:
Seems the build is doomed. It's likely still playable, but definitely not tier1 anymore.
All minion builds got scuffed this league.
I'm still gonna try to make it work but wouldn't recommend running ANY minion build to anyone else this league.
Minions really got nerfed hard in the early game.
Our medium clusters got removed aswell so dunno about the lategame scaling.
Looking at trappers and miners aswell they say they've lost like 200% increased damage from their skill tree so maybe we're not alone.
Dissapointed in GGG that they nerfed another ~30% damage nerf across the board under the guise of "updating" the skill tree.
This is just a flashy way to nerf everything again.
How about this phys impale version without aura scaling? 13m dps is enough for the endgame, right? https://pastebin.com/cRM8zpxa (will translate it in the new tree by time)
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Vortigaunt1337 wrote:
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Deadandlivin wrote:
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DontThinkJustClick wrote:
Seems the build is doomed. It's likely still playable, but definitely not tier1 anymore.
All minion builds got scuffed this league.
I'm still gonna try to make it work but wouldn't recommend running ANY minion build to anyone else this league.
Minions really got nerfed hard in the early game.
Our medium clusters got removed aswell so dunno about the lategame scaling.
Looking at trappers and miners aswell they say they've lost like 200% increased damage from their skill tree so maybe we're not alone.
Dissapointed in GGG that they nerfed another ~30% damage nerf across the board under the guise of "updating" the skill tree.
This is just a flashy way to nerf everything again.
How about this phys impale version without aura scaling? 13m dps is enough for the endgame, right? https://pastebin.com/cRM8zpxa (will translate it in the new tree by time)
That build is a good early game build but you won't be farming any lategame content with it.
You can easily kill bosses like Sirus/Maven/Guardians with that build.
But I don't think you'll be farming Maven Invitations, 100% Delirius or any of the new Uber content.
Unless a build has atleast 50 million dps I don't think it's suitable for farming 100% delirius. I would assume that the new Uber content will be like 100% delirius or even harder.
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Posted byDeadandlivin#2745on Oct 18, 2021, 2:38:09 PM
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Deadandlivin wrote:
Unless a build has atleast 50 million dps I don't think it's suitable for farming 100% delirius. I would assume that the new Uber content will be like 100% delirius or even harder.
Well, then we are f*cked. No way we can either way get those DPS this league.
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Vortigaunt1337 wrote:
How about this phys impale version without aura scaling? 13m dps is enough for the endgame, right? https://pastebin.com/cRM8zpxa (will translate it in the new tree by time)
13m is enough to kill every boss rn, but it's not enough for me. I have 15m sDPS rn and my gear (except chest) is pretty bad. But in the next league 15-20m DPS will be a barrier, to overstep which you have to invest tons of money.
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Posted byIts_OP#0728on Oct 18, 2021, 3:58:51 PM
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Vortigaunt1337 wrote:
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Deadandlivin wrote:
Unless a build has atleast 50 million dps I don't think it's suitable for farming 100% delirius. I would assume that the new Uber content will be like 100% delirius or even harder.
Well, then we are f*cked. No way we can either way get those DPS this league.
We can easily surpass those numbers but we will need heavy investment. Items like mirrord 9 link helmets and perfect 12 point clusters will be mandatory.
With the current level of minmax I think I'll be able to break 100 million.
That's without adding potential Scourge corrupted implicits which could be really powerful.
The high end isn't any problem, it never is if you literally throw hundreds of exalted orbs on a build.
The problem will be the midgame imo.
I actually think the early game will be fine. Red maps and sirus kills et.c. should be no problem.
Where I see issues is when we move past the ~10 ex mark of the build. Without medium clusters and EE gone I just don't know how to scale the damage high enough to beat guardians deathless while allowing us to kill Maven invitations.
Kinda insane when I think about it, my medium budget builds used to have 30 million dps in Ritual. Now it's down to like 8 million.
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Posted byDeadandlivin#2745on Oct 18, 2021, 4:21:20 PM
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Deadandlivin wrote:
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Vortigaunt1337 wrote:
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Deadandlivin wrote:
Unless a build has atleast 50 million dps I don't think it's suitable for farming 100% delirius. I would assume that the new Uber content will be like 100% delirius or even harder.
Well, then we are f*cked. No way we can either way get those DPS this league.
We can easily surpass those numbers but we will need heavy investment. Items like mirrord 9 link helmets and perfect 12 point clusters will be mandatory.
With the current level of minmax I think I'll be able to break 100 million.
That's without adding potential Scourge corrupted implicits which could be really powerful.
The high end isn't any problem, it never is if you literally throw hundreds of exalted orbs on a build.
The problem will be the midgame imo.
I actually think the early game will be fine. Red maps and sirus kills et.c. should be no problem.
Where I see issues is when we move past the ~10 ex mark of the build. Without medium clusters and EE gone I just don't know how to scale the damage high enough to beat guardians deathless while allowing us to kill Maven invitations.
Kinda insane when I think about it, my medium budget builds used to have 30 million dps in Ritual. Now it's down to like 8 million.
I wouldn't say we can easily surpass those numbers if you're saying we need mirror tier items lol.
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I wouldn't say we can easily surpass those numbers if you're saying we need mirror tier items lol.
Just saying that the cap to our damage still is pretty high but you need massive investment.
It's not like Spectral Shield Throw last league which capped out at like 4 million dps. You could literally throw 10 mirrors to minmax a SST build and you maybe would get 1 extra million dps.
This build will still be able to reach ridiculous dps, but it will need close to perfect items in the most relevant slots.
Is it easy to farm that currency? No, of course not. But getting to 50 million is pretty easy with good gear cause we still scale good. Just locked behind currency.
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Posted byDeadandlivin#2745on Oct 18, 2021, 4:51:45 PM
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Btw, despite I've already mentally buried the build, I'm still curious to see what you'll come up with if you do with anything. I'd like to postpone Dark Pact on 1 more league.
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Posted byIts_OP#0728on Oct 18, 2021, 4:58:57 PM
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Btw, despite I've already mentally buried the build, I'm still curious to see what you'll come up with if you do with anything. I'd like to postpone Dark Pact on 1 more league.
Well dark pact leagues starts with 5m sDPS right now, I don’t know how well it scales though
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Deadandlivin wrote:
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It's not like Spectral Shield Throw last league which capped out at like 4 million dps. You could literally throw 10 mirrors to minmax a SST build and you maybe would get 1 extra million dps.
No? you could do 120-160 mln SST on like 120 ex budget?
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