[3.21] Cold Conversion Summoner | Build guides for all budgets | (Ghazzy Zoomancer)

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vitto369 wrote:

thanks for the info on the craft, i did not think about that !
about the curse you cant have 3 curses on the mob, unless one is always over written, maybe it was what you meant.

I grabbed the wand, i know will go grab a +1 spectre/offering chest since +1 curse dont have benefit compared to AG cursing a second curse.

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nirnact wrote:

How to use EE with build version high buget?

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Silenkurri wrote:

Any recommendations on a different Key Stone Passive on Skin of the Lords?

Phase Acro is great but it's just too pricey. Any other decent options?

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DontThinkJustClick wrote:

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Silenkurri wrote:

Any recommendations on a different Key Stone Passive on Skin of the Lords?

Phase Acro is great but it's just too pricey. Any other decent options?

I think it's better to stay on Skin of the Loyal. Skin of the Lords is valuable for us exactly due to Phase Acro.

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DontThinkJustClick wrote:

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nirnact wrote:

How to use EE with build version high buget?

Cold damage to spells somewhere on your gear.

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Eti88 wrote:

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DontThinkJustClick wrote:

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nirnact wrote:

How to use EE with build version high buget?

Cold damage to spells somewhere on your gear.

Instead, fire/lightning damage to spells somewhere, if I'm not mistaken, right?

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DontThinkJustClick wrote:

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vitto369 wrote:

thanks for the info on the craft, i did not think about that !
about the curse you cant have 3 curses on the mob, unless one is always over written, maybe it was what you meant.

I grabbed the wand, i know will go grab a +1 spectre/offering chest since +1 curse dont have benefit compared to AG cursing a second curse.

You can have as many curses as you want, unless your threshold is not high enough. In our situation we apply 2 curses by ourselves (EW and Assassin's Mark) and 1 is applied by AG (Frostbite).

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vitto369 wrote:

yup, but the total of curses at the same time on the mob is still 2 not 3.
That is why a +1 curse chest is overkill in my opinion unless you also have a +1 amulet.

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DontThinkJustClick wrote:

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vitto369 wrote:

yup, but the total of curses at the same time on the mob is still 2 not 3.
That is why a +1 curse chest is overkill in my opinion unless you also have a +1 amulet.

Maybe I don't understand something, but I can't get why a monster would be cursed by 2 out of 3 curses. I've never heard about any kind of monster's curse threshold. And we use 2 Hexes and 1 Mark, so no marks would be overwritten.

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vitto369 wrote:

well, mobs have a curse limit of 1. You need to have +1 curse to go beyond that limit and to be able to curse one mob with 2 different curses otherwise you will just overwrite the previous curse with a new one. To curse a mob with 3 curses you need stuff with +2 curses (chest and amulet for example).

With AG having +1 and 1 curse and you having +1 and two curses, the mob will have your two curses and 1 curse overwritten by the AG curse everytime he hits.

That is why i dont understand why a +1 curse chest is mandatory since the AG can have the +1 curse. YOur limit is still 1 but the AG can set a second curse on the mob and dont overwrite yours.

Also, Marks are a certain type of curse.