⛵☁️[3.25] The Arachnophobia Allstars| Chaos Guardian CI|The dirty Scorpion-tail|Herald of Agony 150M+

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MisterTorgue wrote:
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Yeah I have found the damage is really low even with substantial investment.

Going to grind to a second cluster (for damage and dex) so I can go and swap in TT(4white) and see the difference, if not S> Aegis/Aul's Uprising :D


Yes, the medium clusters with "pure agony" are the leader for damage like shown in section gloves in "gear, skills, links" and in the spoiler "checklist damage". Always head fast for minimum 2-3 medium cluster, and 4 are much better.

Beside you need poisonchance, castspeed, withers (of spiders or anomalous withering step), skillgemlevels with SoL and awakened gems of HoAg too. Then damage is more than enough early.
Last edited by Chromino#4813 on May 30, 2022, 10:37:00 AM
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MisterTorgue wrote:
Edit:
Yeah I have found the damage is really low even with substantial investment.

Going to grind to a second cluster (for damage and dex) so I can go and swap in TT(4white) and see the difference, if not S> Aegis/Aul's Uprising :D


The gems on your agony and the lack of the 4th pure agony are the reason damage is low. Your agony is only level 24 (we can get to 30 pretty easily or even 31). Number of virulences (are you sustaining max, especially on single target?) and level of Herald of Agony are the two biggest factors in damage for this build.

Spirit offering is also a boost, but unless you are ensuring that you always have corpses near you AND are getting stunned often having it on cast while stunned doesn't help much. That's why I keep mine as manual cast so I can ensure it is up basically all the time.

It looks like you put most of your investment into the spiders, but those are support. The crawler is the main source of damage.

Edit: If you need more clear, fork or chain is better than pierce (chain being the best).

Also, for single target you should swap out the pierce for vile toxins. On the spiders swap out splash for multistrike.
Last edited by Valsacar#0268 on May 30, 2022, 10:24:37 AM
Yes, especially in some boss-fights manually casting is a nice possibility too or simply stack some more damage with HoAg levels or triad grips, then spirit offering or sniper's mark are not needed that much. It's a question of the content you go for most. In simulacrums, juiced maps or all not singletarget content the cast when stunned links are perfect.
Last edited by Chromino#4813 on May 30, 2022, 10:58:00 AM
KEYSTONE: 1M VIEWS

Thank you a lot! 1M views in the arachnophil build are a smashing milestone!

I knew myself from full 100 levels and facekicking the bosses about the big fun of the active generated and casted virulences for HoAg, the speed of spiders, the charming focus on facetanking, the qol of minions, and the top tanky defences for selffarmed 100 levels.

But then that this build turned fast into the most popular and successfull guardian build with so much great gamers and community is full of pleasure and joy!

For me personally it's still so much fun to try out variations and optimizations! Thank you so much for building up this set-up!


Let's sting! Arachnophilia!

Last edited by Chromino#4813 on May 30, 2022, 10:33:50 AM
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Valsacar wrote:
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MisterTorgue wrote:
Edit:
Yeah I have found the damage is really low even with substantial investment.

Going to grind to a second cluster (for damage and dex) so I can go and swap in TT(4white) and see the difference, if not S> Aegis/Aul's Uprising :D


The gems on your agony and the lack of the 4th pure agony are the reason damage is low. Your agony is only level 24 (we can get to 30 pretty easily or even 31). Number of virulences (are you sustaining max, especially on single target?) and level of Herald of Agony are the two biggest factors in damage for this build.

Spirit offering is also a boost, but unless you are ensuring that you always have corpses near you AND are getting stunned often having it on cast while stunned doesn't help much. That's why I keep mine as manual cast so I can ensure it is up basically all the time.

It looks like you put most of your investment into the spiders, but those are support. The crawler is the main source of damage.

Edit: If you need more clear, fork or chain is better than pierce (chain being the best).

Also, for single target you should swap out the pierce for vile toxins. On the spiders swap out splash for multistrike.


I've put most of my investment into being tanky (auras etc) with then putting in clusters etc.

my HoAG is 26, just got a decent drop so going to flip it then get Emp4 / HoAG 21/20 if its for sale at a reasonable cost.

Spirit offering I was thinking of unlinking, not a huge fan of cast when stunned for it, anyway but it works for my frost shield so i'll keep it, just manual cast SO.


Will look to pool in currency on that side (cluster, hoag levels then see if i need to swap to 4W TT)

Would you say 4W TT is essential for damage, or just an added extra?


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Buying Emp4 / AVoid and AMD to get increased levels, then wil lget cluster
Last edited by MisterTorgue#6400 on May 30, 2022, 1:39:54 PM
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MisterTorgue wrote:

Spirit offering I was thinking of unlinking, not a huge fan of cast when stunned for it, anyway but it works for my frost shield so i'll keep it, just manual cast SO.


Will look to pool in currency on that side (cluster, hoag levels then see if i need to swap to 4W TT)

Would you say 4W TT is essential for damage, or just an added extra?


EDIT:
Buying Emp4 / AVoid and AMD to get increased levels, then wil lget cluster


I do the same with frost shield on cast while stunned, but offering on manual cast.

TT is definitely a damage increase, but not as much as it was in previous leagues due to more things having chaos resistance. The issue with swapping it out is that you will have a harder time sustaining max virulenance with just ball lightning.

That's why I use cyclone (stormburst for big bosses), nearly instant max virulences and easy to sustain. Awakened cast while channeling is also really nice, as it basically makes you immune to stun. Issue there is Ebers is no longer the best in slot if you take the channeling approach, as it doesn't proc while you are channeling. A rare helm with nearby enemies have -chaos res and reservation efficiency is best (along with high ES). A basic one isn't too hard to craft, any ES helm with hunters influence, then spam the essence that grants reservation efficiency until you get good mods. You can do without the chaos res as a cheaper version (which is what I'm running right now).
Well got Emp4 / AVoid and AMD (so got another +3 HoAG Levels) and seems a lot stronger.

Also found out I missed 3 skill points on quests (LOL!) - I already have a char level 93 so no excuse!

I am looking to move to Riot Queller / Vet Defender Cluster for second setup, but seems stupidly expensive (10+ ex)
- Any recommendations for a secondary large cluster setup in the interim (until I roll Riot/Vet myself ?
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MisterTorgue wrote:
Well got Emp4 / AVoid and AMD (so got another +3 HoAG Levels) and seems a lot stronger.

Also found out I missed 3 skill points on quests (LOL!) - I already have a char level 93 so no excuse!

I am looking to move to Riot Queller / Vet Defender Cluster for second setup, but seems stupidly expensive (10+ ex)
- Any recommendations for a secondary large cluster setup in the interim (until I roll Riot/Vet myself ?


Hi I got same problem,
temp solution found Prodigios Defence(3/3 block vs 4 from Riot Queller ) / Veteran or Prodigios Defence(3/3) / Strike leader(only 2% but) both grant quite a nice % of block.

The dream is Riot Queller / Vet Defender/ Prodigios Defence. But after 4000 alt spent its just a dream still.
Last edited by Devever#3953 on May 31, 2022, 3:09:59 AM
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Devever wrote:
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MisterTorgue wrote:
Well got Emp4 / AVoid and AMD (so got another +3 HoAG Levels) and seems a lot stronger.

Also found out I missed 3 skill points on quests (LOL!) - I already have a char level 93 so no excuse!

I am looking to move to Riot Queller / Vet Defender Cluster for second setup, but seems stupidly expensive (10+ ex)
- Any recommendations for a secondary large cluster setup in the interim (until I roll Riot/Vet myself ?


Hi I got same problem,
temp solution found Prodigios Defence(3/3 block vs 4 from Riot Queller ) / Veteran or Prodigios Defence(3/3) / Strike leader(only 2% but) both grant quite a nice % of block.

The dream is Riot Queller / Vet Defender/ Prodigios Defence. But after 4000 alt spent its just a dream still.


Yeah I am outta alts for this as well!

Cheers for the alternative, much more reasonable cost!
I'm just going full damage on both clusters. After my last round of upgrades things are feeling much better. I go Ghost Dance with high EV as well as the high armor. Not as immortal as it was last league, but now that I'm focusing on increasing damage more (just got the last layer for defense recently) things are feeling pretty smooth.

I still need my emp (leveling one for now, as I'd like to get the awakened later), then I'll work on getting better gems for the spiders. Also need to craft that helm (essences not being nice to me lately).

Once I have those in place, then min/max defenses with alt quality gems.

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