[3.14] Dejuvenate's Flameslinger Elementalist. Best League starter and unethical clear speed

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Siruy wrote:

Guys, I'd appreciate any feedback. I'm still on starter gear, and pretty light on currency (1 EX and 200 chaos) but I'm trying to figure out my next update. This is my first time with FlameSlinger and I'm not quite sure where the big pop in damage will come from. More golems? Cluster jewels?

Thanks a lot!

https://pastebin.com/s3aa7NwB

Your Malachai's Artifice is doing nothing right now. Need Minions deal x to x cold (or lightning) damage, on an abyss jewel. Easiest to do a Stygian Vise for this. If you pull up your PoB, in the calcs tab, you can see your chaos does 100% physical damage, therefore does not trigger EE.

L21 flame wall
L21 Spellslinger (saves some mana)

+2 duration gems Tabula is cheap, and huge dps upgrade.

Then work on cluster jewels.

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RJonesUSC wrote:

Also, you don't want the fire damage in WoC to be more than the fire damage in KB (or whatever projectile skill you're using) so that it doesn't overwrite the ignite done by the projectile which would then negate the negative resistances from combustion.

Is this true? My WOC lv1 already does more fire damage them KB

KB does 81-153 fire dam.
WOC is doing 95-143.
But I have WOC on CWDT so is 70% weaker already.

Not sure is possible for KB to do more flat fire damage them WOC.
Or is the Average Damage?

@hoff123

Hextouch support on your wand is not used and more than that Flammability is never triggered.
You can't double trigger (As your wand already trigger)

Remove Hextouch for another gem (Added fire damage for exemple or whatever)

The wand will trigger WoC, 8 sec later Flammablitiy, and so on.
Or maybe take a wand with no trigger and use an Arcanist Brand to activate Woc and Flammability.

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Manchini wrote:

@hoff123

Hextouch support on your wand is not used and more than that Flammability is never triggered.
You can't double trigger (As your wand already trigger)

Remove Hextouch for another gem (Added fire damage for exemple or whatever)

The wand will trigger WoC, 8 sec later Flammablitiy, and so on.
Or maybe take a wand with no trigger and use an Arcanist Brand to activate Woc and Flammability.

Are you sure about that? I ask because that's how it's setup in the 3.14 PoB in the OP.

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pra-lima87 wrote:

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RJonesUSC wrote:

Also, you don't want the fire damage in WoC to be more than the fire damage in KB (or whatever projectile skill you're using) so that it doesn't overwrite the ignite done by the projectile which would then negate the negative resistances from combustion.

Is this true? My WOC lv1 already does more fire damage them KB

KB does 81-153 fire dam.
WOC is doing 95-143.
But I have WOC on CWDT so is 70% weaker already.

Not sure is possible for KB to do more flat fire damage them WOC.
Or is the Average Damage?

It's in the OP under FAQ -> Details and Intricacies -> Ignites and Combustion

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RJonesUSC wrote:

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Manchini wrote:

@hoff123

Hextouch support on your wand is not used and more than that Flammability is never triggered.
You can't double trigger (As your wand already trigger)

Remove Hextouch for another gem (Added fire damage for exemple or whatever)

The wand will trigger WoC, 8 sec later Flammablitiy, and so on.
Or maybe take a wand with no trigger and use an Arcanist Brand to activate Woc and Flammability.

Are you sure about that? I ask because that's how it's setup in the 3.14 PoB in the OP.

I'm not a POE expert, but according to some internet posts and tests I made, I'm pretty sure of that.
Just do the test, remove damages gems (EQ : FW) and take a look if mobs have Flammabilty debuff when you strike.

For exemple (Before last posts):
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/l31nss/what_gems_to_link_with_flammability/

So i Checked PoE Ninja, and there are many players in the tops that have WoC on 20 and only a hand full players that have WoC on 1...If I check PoB, my WoC does on lvl more Fire Damage than KB, so it will overwrite the ignite every time i use it, if thats correct in the Guide.
So i dont see how to let it not overwrite it without using WoC. Only thing i have seen are some players that play with KB+Hextouch+Flammability+GMP and WoC+ArcaBrand+Combustion...
For me its not clear whats the best way to play this setup correctly, for now i will stick to KB+GMP+Combu+Chain and WoC+ArcaBra+Flamma.

would appreciate more detailed Input here...

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citizenX wrote:

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hoff123 wrote:

what should i replace first?

Your Malachai's Artifice is doing nothing right now. Need Minions deal x to x cold (or lightning) damage, on an abyss jewel. Easiest to do a Stygian Vise for this. If you pull up your PoB, in the calcs tab, you can see your chaos does 100% physical damage, therefore does not trigger EE.

L21 flame wall
L21 Spellslinger (saves some mana)
Transcendent Mind in place of your Intuitive Leap.

Pretty sure the leech on your boots does nothing, might be wrong, but I thought burning damage cannot leech.

why should i replace the leap jewel? it is there on pob

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Manchini wrote:

The wand will trigger WoC, 8 sec later Flammablitiy, and so on.
Or maybe take a wand with no trigger and use an Arcanist Brand to activate Woc and Flammability.

Not sure that is how a trigger wand works dude. So you saying to trigger all 3 spells socketed it takes 8 seconds each? So s total of 24 to do a full rotation?

AFAIK trigger mechanism will trigger all spells in order. So trigger wands or CWDT. Not like 1 spell each cooldown.

This thing with WOC is really bothering me, this build needs some crazy trimming there is way too much spread information :/

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pra-lima87 wrote:

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Manchini wrote:

The wand will trigger WoC, 8 sec later Flammablitiy, and so on.
Or maybe take a wand with no trigger and use an Arcanist Brand to activate Woc and Flammability.

Not sure that is how a trigger wand works dude. So you saying to trigger all 3 spells socketed it takes 8 seconds each? So s total of 24 to do a full rotation?

AFAIK trigger mechanism will trigger all spells in order. So trigger wands or CWDT. Not like 1 spell each cooldown.

This thing with WOC is really bothering me, this build needs some crazy trimming there is way too much spread information :/

If you have the crafted trigger, than there is a 8sec CD between every use, they changed it with ulti... But as far as I know, there is also a trigger on some wands with no CD, but not to craft.