there was useful info there, about indicating scorch/brittle/sap effect on the enemy bar, that was new for me. checked my kosis video:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iZ2dBocC7c2gOo7E03S0OSvrYBSHlZDc/view?usp=sharing
that is a positive surprise, that we have this much effect of leaderships price on the hardest version of Kosis, and full effect on A9 Sirus:)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ksSA9spjA56o6-J2t9soUYQkIZFdlufG/view?usp=sharing
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Posted byBrigetiol#7832on Jan 13, 2022, 11:07:36 AM
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Yes! You may have missed us commenting on this when you posted your vids. I slowed them down and watched the enemy bar closely and mentioned how strong this looked.
It is really good and shows that we can stack the ailments even on the fattest of fatties :)
Getting max effect on Sirus at AW9 means that 99.9% of monsters we encounter should also get max effect very easily.
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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:
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Brigetiol wrote:
Yes! You may have missed us commenting on this when you posted your vids. I slowed them down and watched the enemy bar closely and mentioned how strong this looked.
It is really good and shows that we can stack the ailments even on the fattest of fatties :)
Getting max effect on Sirus at AW9 means that 99.9% of monsters we encounter should also get max effect very easily.
whoops... sorry
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Posted byBrigetiol#7832on Jan 13, 2022, 12:17:22 PM
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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:
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Brigetiol wrote:
Yes! You may have missed us commenting on this when you posted your vids. I slowed them down and watched the enemy bar closely and mentioned how strong this looked.
It is really good and shows that we can stack the ailments even on the fattest of fatties :)
Getting max effect on Sirus at AW9 means that 99.9% of monsters we encounter should also get max effect very easily.
whoops... sorry
No sorry needed. Your experimentation in standard allows us to greatly increase our hopes for success in 3.17, at least depending on nerfs..
Thank you for all the help you have provided to the thread! :)
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Thalassa wrote:
Hi! I'm Thal or Zee, whichever you prefer. I first want to thank you for building this guide, I have been enjoying playing this build. I've just hit a few snags and need another set of eyes to take a look at my character/build to help me out. I'm a visually impaired player and the one button toasting has been great! With a few extra clicks here and there.
I don't quite have everything recommended, bottled faith primarily because Ex. Lol. But I did do the best I can.|
I'll admit I'm unfamiliar with using the forum and am unsure how to link my character?
If you can see it (somehow? lol) I've gotten pretty good survivability. I'm having a bit of an issue with dmg though. In the fight with Drox before even getting to Sirus (A8), I'm not DPSing his flags down fast enough to then dmg him. Am I doing something wrong? Please, if someone could take a look, and be gentle, I'd appreciate the advice.
Thanks in advance!
Hi Thal!!
Welcome to the thread. I am happy to hear you are enjoying the build!
I was able to download your character and review and I have some tips/corrections to share with you.
1) The Incinerate helmet enchant provides a solid amount of damage. The exact one you want is the following: "Incinerate has +2 to maximum stages". This one change alone will really help your single target damage
2) Your incinerate gem set up needs to be 6 gems total. You have only 5 and then have Defiance Banner in the 6th link. I would remove Defiance Banner and add in Inspiration. This will help your damage quite a bit and your mana resources
3) If and when you can afford it, anoint your Amulet with Whispers of Doom. Right now you can't use the two curses you have in your Temp Shield/Hex Touch set up. This will be another good source of DPS when you can do this anoint since it will allow for both curses to be active at the same time.
4) When you have all corrupted gems in your incinerate setup, replace Skin of the Loyal with Skin of the Lords (look for a keystone that at worst does not hurt you. You can ask here in thread if unsure.) Skin of the Lords got a massive buff in 3.16 and we use it now as the the default armor as it is much stronger than the base Skin of the Loyal.
If you can make these 4 changes/additions, your DPS is going to go up nicely
You are currently doing around 1.29m dps
If you make the 4 changes above, you will be doing over 2.5m dps, about double what you are doing now.
Try some of these out and let us know if it makes any difference and then we can help with the next set of upgrades.
Please ask any questions you have!
Good luck!
Hi! I've managed upgrades 1-3, with some help from lovely member of the community! 4 seems like it'll take me a bit. Prices on trade are... ouch. xD Gonna see if I can't get breach stones and maybe get lucky.
While I do so, are there any other recommendations? The ones made so far have helped a lot. Thank you!
Much thanks for your time
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Posted byThalassa#1139on Jan 13, 2022, 2:35:38 PM
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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:
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Thalassa wrote:
Hi! I'm Thal or Zee, whichever you prefer. I first want to thank you for building this guide, I have been enjoying playing this build. I've just hit a few snags and need another set of eyes to take a look at my character/build to help me out. I'm a visually impaired player and the one button toasting has been great! With a few extra clicks here and there.
I don't quite have everything recommended, bottled faith primarily because Ex. Lol. But I did do the best I can.|
I'll admit I'm unfamiliar with using the forum and am unsure how to link my character?
If you can see it (somehow? lol) I've gotten pretty good survivability. I'm having a bit of an issue with dmg though. In the fight with Drox before even getting to Sirus (A8), I'm not DPSing his flags down fast enough to then dmg him. Am I doing something wrong? Please, if someone could take a look, and be gentle, I'd appreciate the advice.
Thanks in advance!
Hi Thal!!
Welcome to the thread. I am happy to hear you are enjoying the build!
I was able to download your character and review and I have some tips/corrections to share with you.
1) The Incinerate helmet enchant provides a solid amount of damage. The exact one you want is the following: "Incinerate has +2 to maximum stages". This one change alone will really help your single target damage
2) Your incinerate gem set up needs to be 6 gems total. You have only 5 and then have Defiance Banner in the 6th link. I would remove Defiance Banner and add in Inspiration. This will help your damage quite a bit and your mana resources
3) If and when you can afford it, anoint your Amulet with Whispers of Doom. Right now you can't use the two curses you have in your Temp Shield/Hex Touch set up. This will be another good source of DPS when you can do this anoint since it will allow for both curses to be active at the same time.
4) When you have all corrupted gems in your incinerate setup, replace Skin of the Loyal with Skin of the Lords (look for a keystone that at worst does not hurt you. You can ask here in thread if unsure.) Skin of the Lords got a massive buff in 3.16 and we use it now as the the default armor as it is much stronger than the base Skin of the Loyal.
If you can make these 4 changes/additions, your DPS is going to go up nicely
You are currently doing around 1.29m dps
If you make the 4 changes above, you will be doing over 2.5m dps, about double what you are doing now.
Try some of these out and let us know if it makes any difference and then we can help with the next set of upgrades.
Please ask any questions you have!
Good luck!
Hi! I've managed upgrades 1-3, with some help from lovely member of the community! 4 seems like it'll take me a bit. Prices on trade are... ouch. xD Gonna see if I can't get breach stones and maybe get lucky.
While I do so, are there any other recommendations? The ones made so far have helped a lot. Thank you!
Much thanks for your time
Hello! Great job!
You may have missed my earlier comment so I will repeat here. Don't forget to 4 link your helmet. vaal RF really benefits from increased duration.
Look to upgrade the shield. It provides a ton of defense for the build. Get as close to 400% as you can afford.
And don't be scared of prices you see on trade for anything. This late in the league players will likely sell for significantly less if you just ask nicely.
I apologize for not noticing this before but every time you use your mana flask, you remove all the benefits from Pain Attunement which means your DPS will drop through the floor. Be very careful using anything that removes curses from your character. If you don't need a mana flask (which typically you should not) I would replace it with a granite flask. If for some reason you still need a mana flask, I would change the mana flask mod away from curse removal.
Good luck and come back with any questions if I was not clear.
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many streamers feel convinced Determination will be getting nerfed.
However, I don't think it will have a huge impact on us (unless they do something dumb like make it 60% mana reserve).
This build has always been a tank even before both the recent armor and determination buffs.
If they leave the armor formula the same and simply reduce the flat armor Determination gives (which seems like the most sensible nerf), we should still end up ahead of where we were defensively before the recent armor and Determination buffs.
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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:
many streamers feel convinced Determination will be getting nerfed.
However, I don't think it will have a huge impact on us (unless they do something dumb like make it 60% mana reserve).
This build has always been a tank even before both the recent armor and determination buffs.
If they leave the armor formula the same and simply reduce the flat armor Determination gives (which seems like the most sensible nerf), we should still end up ahead of where we were defensively before the recent armor and Determination buffs.
Yeah, we should be good. I've got my fingers crossed that they also follow the same formula of buffing underused skills and Incinerate is included. It's probably just wishful thinking, but it's usage is so low poe.ninja shows it at 0.0% lol. Only 7 characters total across all the classes.
I'm still playing the guardian version off and on and I was definitely too harsh on it in my initial review. all shaper and elder guardians down deathless. Sirus and all his guardians deathless. Ahuatotli, Kurgal and Aul all down. I'm still low on DPS until I can get a few more levels and upgrade some gems, but the fights are easy. Other than degen zones just stand still and facetank. Hitting 75/75 block without glancing blows is a big defensive buff. I've got a live search running every time I'm on trying to find 2r4b with Pain Attunement, but no luck yet. If I manage to snag one a tree rework would put the optimized Guardian version at just over 6.5mil dps.
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Posted bystoudtlr#5310on Jan 15, 2022, 4:22:01 PM
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I'm still playing the guardian version off and on and I was definitely too harsh on it in my initial review. all shaper and elder guardians down deathless. Sirus and all his guardians deathless. Ahuatotli, Kurgal and Aul all down. I'm still low on DPS until I can get a few more levels and upgrade some gems, but the fights are easy. Other than degen zones just stand still and facetank. Hitting 75/75 block without glancing blows is a big defensive buff. I've got a live search running every time I'm on trying to find 2r4b with Pain Attunement, but no luck yet. If I manage to snag one a tree rework would put the optimized Guardian version at just over 6.5mil dps.
is this crit (with Leadership's Price amulet) or Elemental Overload still?
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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:
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stoudtlr wrote:
I'm still playing the guardian version off and on and I was definitely too harsh on it in my initial review. all shaper and elder guardians down deathless. Sirus and all his guardians deathless. Ahuatotli, Kurgal and Aul all down. I'm still low on DPS until I can get a few more levels and upgrade some gems, but the fights are easy. Other than degen zones just stand still and facetank. Hitting 75/75 block without glancing blows is a big defensive buff. I've got a live search running every time I'm on trying to find 2r4b with Pain Attunement, but no luck yet. If I manage to snag one a tree rework would put the optimized Guardian version at just over 6.5mil dps.
is this crit (with Leadership's Price amulet) or Elemental Overload still?
This is still the EO version I started theory crafting just before we found out about Leadership's Price.
Edit: I still think crit inquistor is the way to go pending the changes we see. I'm just stubborn and like guardian. :-)
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Posted bystoudtlr#5310on Jan 15, 2022, 4:51:41 PM
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