You may want to avoid Wolcen

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Oh ffs enough with the strawman. I never said having badges makes your opinions more valid.

I was making the point that the premise from the OP was Wolcen was a RIP off and wait til it goes F2P. That PoE is the better game yet he invested in Wolcen. It's a confusing argument to make.

Unless of course he has supported PoE, which we dont know (as of now I say no), because at least then we have a comparison.

Either way, I'm not saying that Wolcen threads or criticism isnt welcome in off-topic, I dont care actually, I'm saying that the OP thought process isnt logical. (imo)

That being said I think I've made my point here. Agree or not, but I wanted to at least clear up this forum badge privilege lunacy that was developed somehow.

Exactly how is it a confusing argument to make? He invested in Wolcen because its new. And his opinion is, that its not worth it. This is an off-topic forum of an Arpg; it shouldn't be a surprise that someone would post about Wolcen here, considering they are the in the same genre.

Even if the game was F2p, I would say its not worth it, personally. Thats how big of a mess that game is. Right now, my friend's game is 100% bricked, becuase he tried to forge an item in the end-game system. Like 100% bricked. Its a huge issue. He cant even play his character or even load the game until they fix it, and they dont plan on hotfixing it until "sometime this week." The game wont even load; its just a black screen, becuase he used an item in the forge mechanic at the end of the game. Its happening to everyone. Even F2p, I wouldn't recommend that game.

The reason people are talking about your supporter bias, is you are making it about that. I actually still cannot understand the point you are trying to make. Either you arent articulating it very well, or it makes no sense.

Him criticizing Wolcen has nothign to do with whether he spent money in PoE or not. Anyone who plays either game, can make the judgement call on which one is a better use of your time/money/resources. Just because one costs and one doesnt, holds no weight in that argument. Hell, it makes it worse. Hes trying to tell other Arpg fans, which exist here on an arpg forum, to not waste their money on that game. I dont see what your deal is with this.

Its your thought process that isn't logical. Like, what does him supporting PoE, a marketed F2p game, have to do with him having an opinion on Wolcen, or it even mattering? I can say Warframe is a better game than Destiny 2, even though I can play Warframe 100% free compared to season passes and expansion packs in Destiny 2. I can make that case and tell other people who like looter shooters, and I fail to see how that factors into the discussion.

And the supporter badge thing is exactly what it sounds like. You are the one who got hung up on supporter badges and why people dont hae them and why they would spend money on PoE without getting them. That was you bringing that into the discussion. It comes off as you believe those mean more than a guy without any. I buy 20 dollar points at a time to buy pages and other little stuff. I dont want to buy whatever a supporter pack costs. I know its not 20 bucks.

On the subject of "whether it's a rip off/overpriced"; I guess we all have different standards, but mine is a dollar per hour. If a game provides me with enjoyment and entertainment at a cost of a dollar per hour or less, I feel like that's a good deal.

I don't consider Wolcen to be playable/functional at the moment and won't touch it again until characters stop getting randomly deleted, but I paid $40 for it and will get 40 hours of play time out of it eventually so in that sense, I'm ok with it (and of course I could just refund it on Steam if I felt I wasn't going to get my 40 hours out of it).

For me the issue is that even if/when they fix everything in Wolcen, PoE is just a better game with better mechanics, more engaging gameplay and better fishing.

By far the best take I've seen on Wolcen so far. Short, sweet, vivid and relatable - https://youtu.be/_1OpbL04jII xD

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MonstaMunch wrote:

On the subject of "whether it's a rip off/overpriced"; I guess we all have different standards, but mine is a dollar per hour. If a game provides me with enjoyment and entertainment at a cost of a dollar per hour or less, I feel like that's a good deal.

I don't consider Wolcen to be playable/functional at the moment and won't touch it again until characters stop getting randomly deleted, but I paid $40 for it and will get 40 hours of play time out of it eventually so in that sense, I'm ok with it (and of course I could just refund it on Steam if I felt I wasn't going to get my 40 hours out of it).

For me the issue is that even if/when they fix everything in Wolcen, PoE is just a better game with better mechanics, more engaging gameplay and better fishing.

Steam refunds have a time limit. If they take too long to fix it, you won't be able to refund it anymore. Also, people call it a rip off cos they raised the price for launch and therefore incentivized people to buy it before they had any clue how broken it actually was i.e. you were actively penalized for choosing to wait and see.

I mean Darthski I get your point of view but I did think it was a bit excessive to come at a random so aggressively for posting something negative about Wolcen in OFF-TOPIC because they had no badges.

People who play PoE are more likely to be interested in something like Wolcen, so its not a stretch.

Also, I think the folks who write up the poe isn't f2p or we need an auctionhouse threads are far more deserving of that ire.

Perhaps it was aggressive, but the OP brought up money/rip off first, and then appears to not support PoE. Which I still dont get, and where the badges sorta came in. All I was saying is the badges confirm you supported, without having to say you supported, at first glance.

It just struck me as odd, especially posting in the PoE forum. Like bro can you toss some cash at PoE instead, since you prefer it so much more?

Idk, this whole Wolcen thing has been so polarizing.

Willing to give Wolcen $40 but unwillingly to support GGG, then posting it here...accomplishes what? I mean, what is GGG supposed to think? Uhh thanks for giving Wolcen money for a game you fully admit is inferior, and then playing our game for free, and not supporting us? Great...

Seemingly people dont understand what I was trying to say and strawmaned about badge priviledge.

Think about it. If we all bought Wolcen, never gave any money to PoE, but continued to post in the PoE forums about how much better a game PoE is, wouldnt that strike you as super odd and kinda trolling GGG?

I think its less the individual poster and more they hype and multiple threads.

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The_Impeacher wrote:

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Altnaharra wrote:

Wait what.. You're a Canadian... that is a twist, isn't it.

It'll be our secret ;)

Wait, this can't be true. Charan isn't Canadian!

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The_Impeacher wrote:

Update!

I finally put it all together. Getting some sweet UserBenchmark scores. Now to load up all of the games :D

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/25454579

I can't believe you bumped this, and yet I can. Add me on steam if you want: Littleknife or charanj. I make little updates about Wolcen here and there, and I like to see how my friends are doing.

I'm closing in on 666 hours. Mwaahhaha.