[3.21] Vatinas' Spiders + HoP Guardian - CI, 70K armour, 1400 ES on block, millions of DPS

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IceLancerSR wrote:

cast on stun or damage taken might only be worth for spirit offering? Since casting it manually is just stupid.

I just did some experiments in POB comparing Flesh Offering, Feeding Frenzy and Spirit Offering for DPS. Here are the results:

For Sentinels, in order of most DPS: Flesh Offering, Feeding Frenzy, Spirit Offering

For Spiders, in order of most DPS: Flesh Offering, Feeding Frenzy, Spirit Offering


Flesh Offering was the highest DPS in both cases, followed closely by Feeding Frenzy, and then a bit behind was Spirit Offering.

I guess we really benefit from attack speed for our minions which is why Flesh Offering was out in front. Using a Divergent Flesh Offering makes it even stronger (even more attack speed). They are really cheap too!! I just picked up a 16/20 Divergent Flesh Offering for only 13c.

Flesh Offering is even more interesting because it only take up 2 gem slots, while Feeding Frenzy needs 3 (I agree with you that using 3 gems for this is a waste).

I think I might experiment with Flesh Offering for a while and then if I like it figure out what else to put in the empty slot (I can always go back to Vitality too).

ok I just ran three T16 maps with Cast When Stunned - Flesh Offering.

It felt great! In ultimatums I had as close to 100% up time as you could imagine. The Orange guy was hovering over my head the entire time.

It has significantly higher up time that the Feeding Frenzy I recently tested in Ultimatums.

As the damage increase is noticeable. Not only in attack speed but the minion movement speed is off the charts. This added minion speed helps replace the minion speed we lose when using Divergent HOP.

I recommend for players that do not like to self cast Spirit Offering to give CWS a chance if you can squeeze it in. Also give Flesh Offering a try too, I think you will like it.

It is not active too much when just mapping because we don't take many hits but its not really needed then either.

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dextrelame wrote:

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Which Watcher do you think is best to start ??
Thinking of course, at a low cost and everything ..
I currently have + armor with Determination

First Maximum mana as extra ES, give 1.1K ES for me with 6100 mana.
After additionnal physical reduction. => Even if you have 90% ESTIMATED physical reduction, the real value is around 30-35% against endgame boss. It's why additionnal physical reduction is not bad.

You can use block spell / + armour / regen ...

Current watcher :

Vitality + this watcher with 10.4K ES and i have 770ES/s, up to 1400 with sulphur flask, work well vs dot.

Thank you very much, I really liked your version. It's working really well, making progress

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Oxygenjunkie wrote:

You also might want to work on adding maim to flesh and stone, but it will make harder to squeeze in awakened multistrike as well.

How about precision instead of vitality?

I agree Maim with Flesh and Stone is very good but it does not work as well with my specific set up. I do have maim on my Cyclone at least.

I am unsure about precision and how much it is needed for our minions. I added it to POB and even a level 20 precision only adds a tiny amount of DPS from what I can tell. It could be that our minions don't benefit from accuracy and crit chance.

Hey Dextrelame, I've been following your build and so far I'm progressing pretty good.
Achieved to get some nice loot and everything.

But I cannot use all my aura right now (my blood and sand cannot be up) due to mana reservation.
Can you tell me what I'm missing ?

https://pastebin.com/UjL6rHZq

Thanks in advance and I know I miss a few good items, progressing to achieve it.
If you're feeling like it, any advice would be appreciated :)

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ImTerryFox wrote:

Hey Dextrelame, I've been following your build and so far I'm progressing pretty good.
Achieved to get some nice loot and everything.

But I cannot use all my aura right now (my blood and sand cannot be up) due to mana reservation.
Can you tell me what I'm missing ?

https://pastebin.com/UjL6rHZq

Thanks in advance and I know I miss a few good items, progressing to achieve it.
If you're feeling like it, any advice would be appreciated :)

The very first thing I noticed is that you are missing the Charisma anoint on the amulet. That is very important if you want to squeeze in all the auras.

I realize you took Diamond Skin to cap your ele resists and you should stick with that until you get enough resist else where and then you can change your anoint and move to Charisma to use more auras.

Your Morbid Gaze and Foul Gaze jewels have no resists on them. Change these out for jewels with the resists you need and then drop Diamond Skin for Charisma.

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

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ImTerryFox wrote:

Hey Dextrelame, I've been following your build and so far I'm progressing pretty good.
Achieved to get some nice loot and everything.

But I cannot use all my aura right now (my blood and sand cannot be up) due to mana reservation.
Can you tell me what I'm missing ?

https://pastebin.com/UjL6rHZq

Thanks in advance and I know I miss a few good items, progressing to achieve it.
If you're feeling like it, any advice would be appreciated :)

The very first thing I noticed is that you are missing the Charisma anoint on the amulet. That is very important if you want to squeeze in all the auras.

I realize you took Diamond Skin to cap your ele resists and you should stick with that until you get enough resist else where and then you can change your anoint and move to Charisma to use more auras.

Your Morbid Gaze and Foul Gaze jewels have no resists on them. Change these out for jewels with the resists you need and then drop Diamond Skin for Charisma.

Alright, I did it.
I got max res and added charisma.
But I'm short a bit to put my last aura.
I'm currently on 1501/4831 mana (31%, and flesh and stone use 33.81%).

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ImTerryFox wrote:

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

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ImTerryFox wrote:

Hey Dextrelame, I've been following your build and so far I'm progressing pretty good.
Achieved to get some nice loot and everything.

But I cannot use all my aura right now (my blood and sand cannot be up) due to mana reservation.
Can you tell me what I'm missing ?

https://pastebin.com/UjL6rHZq

Thanks in advance and I know I miss a few good items, progressing to achieve it.
If you're feeling like it, any advice would be appreciated :)

The very first thing I noticed is that you are missing the Charisma anoint on the amulet. That is very important if you want to squeeze in all the auras.

I realize you took Diamond Skin to cap your ele resists and you should stick with that until you get enough resist else where and then you can change your anoint and move to Charisma to use more auras.

Your Morbid Gaze and Foul Gaze jewels have no resists on them. Change these out for jewels with the resists you need and then drop Diamond Skin for Charisma.

Alright, I did it.
I got max res and added charisma.
But I'm short a bit to put my last aura.
I'm currently on 1501/4831 mana (31%, and flesh and stone use 33.81%).

I had to drop my Vit aura level. I'm running Level 7 right now. Maybe that's putting you over the top?

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ImTerryFox wrote:

Alright, I did it.
I got max res and added charisma.
But I'm short a bit to put my last aura.
I'm currently on 1501/4831 mana (31%, and flesh and stone use 33.81%).

There are two reasons:

1) Your Vitality is too high a level. If you drop it back down to a low level you should be able to fit everything else in.

2) You are using regular Multistrike. Switch in Bloodlust for Multistrike, the damage is identical at a lower mana cost.

Fix either one of these issues and you should be ok at this point of your build.

When you are ready, you can use Awaken Multistrike instead of Bloodlust. The regular Multistrike does not provide enough use to justify its extra mana cost over Bloodlust.

You may have mana issues at that time but we can tackle that when the time comes.

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AndyLovesHisBge wrote:

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ImTerryFox wrote:

Alright, I did it.
I got max res and added charisma.
But I'm short a bit to put my last aura.
I'm currently on 1501/4831 mana (31%, and flesh and stone use 33.81%).

There are two reasons:

1) Your Vitality is too high a level. If you drop it back down to a low level you should be able to fit everything else in.

2) You are using regular Multistrike. Switch in Bloodlust for Multistrike, the damage is identical at a lower mana cost.

Fix either one of these issues and you should be ok at this point of your build.

When you are ready, you can use Awaken Multistrike instead of Bloodlust. The regular Multistrike does not provide enough use to justify its extra mana cost over Bloodlust.

You may have mana issues at that time but we can tackle that when the time comes.

Awakened multistrike is currently WAY out of budget, so I switched to bloodlust.
Alright, got clarity and vitality running now (changed both ring for 20% reserved).