Code of Conduct Changes - Do better at least for optics

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Boem wrote:
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RPGlitch wrote:
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aggromagnet wrote:

"Another day, another puddle of brain vomit from this guy."

...is a "personal attack" rather than a mildly-rude but entirely valid comment directed at drivel someone posted. That's the conclusion drawn by one of your team over there, and I sure don't get it.


It's probably the same criteria as allowing comments like this to pass.

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鬼殺し wrote:

I can't believe how slow some of you have been here. You act so smart, but all I see are smart-arses. 1984. Puh-lease.

NOW I'm out.


That said, moderation has a lot of cool heads over there. And while mistakes are bound to happen. It's tough to say the things will get worse, till we see it in action.




It's not that difficult.

Aggro's post is offensive to a specific person and a violation of the CoC.

Charans post is offensive to an entire group and the moderators because it is actively worded offensively in a way the moderators can't remove it for violation of the CoC.

I think it's fair to say his post would lose absolutely no content without that sentence.
For a writer, that should be telling.

Peace,

-Boem-


At least we can agree they are both offensive
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
I think this is just their way of politely saying they've grown bored of the cult and mind control discussions.
Need a new signature, cuz name change. I dunno though. I guess this seems fine. Yeah, this is good.
Offensive, sure. It's pretty mild, but I would absolutely accept that. Still not seeing how it's a personal attack though. No name calling, no derogatory comments directed at the poster themselves, nothing like that.
I have a pretty good sense of humor. I'm not German.
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aggromagnet wrote:
Offensive, sure. It's pretty mild, but I would absolutely accept that. Still not seeing how it's a personal attack though. No name calling, no derogatory comments directed at the poster themselves, nothing like that.


The moment you attached "this guy" your post was an infringement of the CoC.

Think of it like a head-shot were charans post is carpet bombing.

And the moderators are the medics that only answer when an identified person is injured not a whole slew of john doe's that aren't covered.

Peace,

-Boem-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
I support the prohibition of politics and religion topics in this forum. There are other ways to flex your knowledge, wit, and verbal gymnastics. We can debate about science because it is easier to end the debate and convincing the opposing view that we are correct and they are wrong by presenting scientific evidence and arguments that cannot be denied for example round earth vs flat earth obviously the round earth win and the debate stops. Unlike politics and religion topics no matter how convincing the arguments and presentation of the other side at the end of the day both sides love their own opinions and beliefs because politics&religion topics are all about opinions and beliefs.
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Boem wrote:
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aggromagnet wrote:
Offensive, sure. It's pretty mild, but I would absolutely accept that. Still not seeing how it's a personal attack though. No name calling, no derogatory comments directed at the poster themselves, nothing like that.


The moment you attached "this guy" your post was an infringement of the CoC.

Think of it like a head-shot were charans post is carpet bombing.

And the moderators are the medics that only answer when an identified person is injured not a whole slew of john doe's that aren't covered.

Peace,

-Boem-


So then, since you quoted me and included "you" in your comments, which is clearly being directed at me, you're in violation as well. You're not critiquing what I said, you're critiquing me for saying it. That must be the case because you singled me out, personally, instead of making a generalization. I think you're attacking me and hurting my reputation!

But I know, and any semi-rational mod should also, that's not what you're really doing. You're referencing me and what I said, but you are not attacking me or even critiquing me personally in any way.

You are simply being more polite than I was... ;)
I have a pretty good sense of humor. I'm not German.
Last edited by aggromagnet#5565 on Jun 7, 2019, 12:49:29 AM
It is intentional made broad designate as catch-ALL defense. Giving lot of leeway and freedom to what moderators can moderate. In other word, you are at the mercy of moderator judgement. Some people are still trying to play mental gymnastics.
Just gonna check out what happens...

Tiananmen square massacre.

Not trying to be edgy or incite conflict or anything, just curious to see if this gets taken down instantly , doesn't let me post or whatever (Or not). It's just too bloody strange they change this rule on freaking June fourth.
Last edited by Karkas#7549 on Jun 7, 2019, 6:39:50 AM
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Karkas wrote:
Just gonna check out what happens...

Tiananmen square massacre.

Not trying to be edgy or incite conflict or anything, just curious to see if this gets taken down instantly , doesn't let me post or whatever (Or not). It's just too bloody strange they change this rule on freaking June fourth.


Improved it for you. You're welcome.
I have a pretty good sense of humor. I'm not German.
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Sarah_GGG wrote:
The term "inflammatory" is intentionally broad, politics and religion are the two most common examples of a theme we consider to be inherently inflammatory, but are not the only ones. These two themes in particular are ones that incite a lot of passion, particularly when someone is discussing something someone may disagree with - rightly so, these things are important to us as people. They are also, from our experience, the most common threads to cause Code of Conduct violations, and generate the highest number of complaints from chat.

By the same token, we would not remove every single possibly inflammatory post - there is a huge amount of difference between a well-intentioned post looking for opinions, and a post that's been made for the purpose of creating disharmony or pushing boundaries. The latter would be removed. You have our very human team on the other side of this, discussing and deciding what is most appropriate for our forums, and I trust them to make an informed decision.

If discussion about the change in the Code of Conduct is unable to remain civil in here I'm afraid we will have to close this down, please do bear that in mind.


I feel like I shouldn't have to tell you that a stance of "we're not going to tell you what the rules are, but we are going to punish you for breaking them" isn't great for morale on a board that's already running on dangerous ground with morale.

Let's face it - this new rule amounts to giving yourselves permission to delete anything you feel like for any reason you feel like at the time - or for no reason at all. People are gonna feel some kinda way about that, especially when the only assurances they get otherwise amount to 'well obviously we won't take down anything that doesn't break the rules we're refusing to give you.'

Sure. And if that was good enough you wouldn't have all these complaints and people wondering why this board is even still here if the mod team is now committed to shutting down whatever they don't like wholesale.

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