(3.14) Toxic Rain + Caustic Arrow | 5-10m Sirus DPS | Fast + Durable | 50c Budget/SSF Uber Elder

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grimjack68 wrote:

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DrillahKillah wrote:

Edit: read the first page !!! Sorry for bother ahah!

Hi guys !
Been playing this fro a while now and its effective !
I need to get myself a +3 bow
I see a lot here and i was wondering how do you craft one of these ?

Fossil?
It’s one of my goal this league to craft it myself so yeah i am not looking at buying one

Thank you !
Good luck exiles

Theoretically, the fossilcraft is... start with an itemlevel 64 - 82 bow. Use Corroded + Metallic + either shuddering or prismatic. Prismatic drops the increased likelihood for a poison suffix, Shuddering increases the chance of an attack speed suffix.

Keep in mind, this isn't a guarantee - as I found out last league, because there's no guarantee you'll hit both prefixes, it can often spawn just one of them - and if you do get them both, you might not get +2 on bow gems, which gives you a total +2 bow.

Ok ! if i follow first page how do i get the Dot multi??

Its not possible from trans and alt right?

i'll fossil craft then i think

and how can i see a more accurate DPS on PoB ? says 2465 damage at the moment....

thank you

Finished my bow, alt spammed and got a lucky regal slam to isolate t1 multi and attack speed.

I love the build and had a few questions for my fellow tricky bois. I'll try to keep it all on one post so I dont spam the thread.

1. Are multimodded dot multi elder gloves worth it in terms of damage output? Or are we just using this slot to shore up resists. I'm not sure how much a little extra multi is going to help.

2. Should I craft on an energy shield or evasion glove base? I think I plan to swap off qotf in favor of a crusader pop rare garb in the future, since I can get way more evasion rating this way. Not sure if evasion stacking or more energy shield matters. Maybe armor could be better for a little extra phys mitigation?

3. Is double DoT multi via hunter influence on a quiver currency vomit overkill? Not sure if stacking multi has diminishing returns. I'm probably just going to go as defensive as I can on this slot. Or maloneys if one falls out of the sky.

4. Elder chaos dot multi ammy vs inc chaos damage talisman?

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DrillahKillah wrote:

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grimjack68 wrote:

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DrillahKillah wrote:

Edit: read the first page !!! Sorry for bother ahah!

Hi guys !
Been playing this fro a while now and its effective !
I need to get myself a +3 bow
I see a lot here and i was wondering how do you craft one of these ?

Fossil?
It’s one of my goal this league to craft it myself so yeah i am not looking at buying one

Thank you !
Good luck exiles

Theoretically, the fossilcraft is... start with an itemlevel 64 - 82 bow. Use Corroded + Metallic + either shuddering or prismatic. Prismatic drops the increased likelihood for a poison suffix, Shuddering increases the chance of an attack speed suffix.

Keep in mind, this isn't a guarantee - as I found out last league, because there's no guarantee you'll hit both prefixes, it can often spawn just one of them - and if you do get them both, you might not get +2 on bow gems, which gives you a total +2 bow.

Ok ! if i follow first page how do i get the Dot multi??

Its not possible from trans and alt right?

i'll fossil craft then i think

and how can i see a more accurate DPS on PoB ? says 2465 damage at the moment....

thank you

Transmute and alt until you get one of the suffixes - increased attack speed or damage over time multiplier. Note we need the suffix multiplier, not the prefix chaos damage over time multiplier.
Then regal. Hope for the other suffix. If you get them both, chances are you are going to have a shitty prefix that needs to go. Annul. Pray it takes the prefix. If not, scour, start over. If so, proceed with the rest of the crafting steps.

You're looking at the wrong number in PoB. Look at the DoT number. In your case, it should be 88103. Multiply that by your attack speed - 3.0, 1.4 for Mirage archer, 1.53 for your duration, 3.5 for average pods affecting a target, and you get your calculated actual DPS: 1,981,524 DPS.

This is all explained in the original post, by the way, in the section titled: How to calculate actual DPS instead of being a Tooltip Warrior

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WarmSmells wrote:

Not sure if stacking multi has diminishing returns.

No it doesn't. "Increased" damage has diminishing returns. "Multiplier" and "more" damage doesn't.

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WarmSmells wrote:

Elder chaos dot multi ammy vs inc chaos damage talisman?

See above. Talisman is increased damage, which in the long run will be worse than multiplier. Also Talismans cannot be anointed, and probably cannot be catalyst-buffed I'd assume, following the general rule of corrupted items.

Talismans imo are an even bigger noob trap than Impresence / Solstice Vigil.

BIS amulet atm is gonna be probably Hunter influenced chaos multi & +1 to chaos gems or +1 to dex gems (or both if gods of rng bless you?)

If you get those 2 stats together, you can multicraft or do w/e else with it, it's rare enough to not really risk bricking it trying to make it "perfect rolls".

In the same manner I'd prio chaos multi on glove over attack speed and other desirable stats, but if you can't get them, defensive stat stick in that slot is fine too.

Gloves have the lowest amount of defensive stats (ES/Eva/Armor), so I wouldn't overpay for a "perfect" base, however armor is probably the most negligible one as the build doesn't really scale it in any form.

Double multi (dot / chaos dot) quiver is probably worth more than maloney's, with 3 frenzy charges maloney is worth 12% more damage and some attack speed, pretty sure well crafted yellow quiver can beat it with the new mods, and have more life on it too. And you can apply despair in other ways, even frenzy charges you can get in other ways too.

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Viktranka wrote:

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WarmSmells wrote:

Not sure if stacking multi has diminishing returns.

No it doesn't. "Increased" damage has diminishing returns. "Multiplier" and "more" damage doesn't.

Just to clarify, damage over time multipliers are all added together as a single multiplier. If you have 150% dot multi, adding 10% won't give you 10% more damage, it will give you 6.6%.

What gems should be level 21?

ToxicRain, Steelskin, and?

Also, with a lvl 21 gem, is it still possible to increase the quality of it?
If not, which ones are ok leaving it at 0% quality?

Crafted another one for ~9 ex.

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Viktranka wrote:

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WarmSmells wrote:

Not sure if stacking multi has diminishing returns.

No it doesn't. "Increased" damage has diminishing returns. "Multiplier" and "more" damage doesn't.

I'm a little confused on this explanation as English is not my first language. My original thought was you have to have a balance of chaos damage & multiplier for maximum DPS

So do these items give me diminishing DPS returns because of inc chaos damage? I also allocated up to corruption node so I'm getting a bit of inc chaos damage from there as well. The only Cdot multiplier I get from items other than the bow is my quiver

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Ninjuh021 wrote:

Crafted another one for ~9 ex.

Damn. How are you isolating the initial 2 suffixes? I've been using alt / aug spam, regaling anything that hits attack speed or damage over time multi, I've yet to see both at once, and I'm 1000 alts in.

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KrJeebus wrote:

I'm a little confused on this explanation as English is not my first language. My original thought was you have to have a balance of chaos damage & multiplier for maximum DPS

So do these items give me diminishing DPS returns because of inc chaos damage? I also allocated up to corruption node so I'm getting a bit of inc chaos damage from there as well. The only Cdot multiplier I get from items other than the bow is my quiver

Simple explanation: No. Both are good. Stack as many of them as you can. Multiplier sources are better.

There isn't enough sources of either for us to run into diminishing returns.

I use Path of Building to compare different sources of damage increase / multiplier.