(3.14) Toxic Rain + Caustic Arrow | 5-10m Sirus DPS | Fast + Durable | 50c Budget/SSF Uber Elder

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outlierlol wrote:
Are the dps calculations still correct with the change to mirage archer? I was trying to figure out where the 1.4 coefficient came from. Do you think running efficacy would be better over mirage archer now?


They are probably not correct anymore. From the wiki:
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Equipping Mirage Archer translates to 27.6% more damage.

As of patch 3.9: 31% less damage and 60% less attack speed.

1 - (31 / 100)) x (1 - (60 / 100)) = 0.276‬.

That said, MA has always been more about convenience than damage. It's what allows us to fire once, and run through a bunch of mobs, and they all die.

It's probably still worthwhile even for bosses - some of the more active fights, I'll hit them once, then circle around avoiding getting hit while my MA pounds out the shots.

In situations where you can stand still and facetank, another gem is going to provide a higher raw DPS - *IF* you can maintain the mana.
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Tannhauser1 wrote:
on bow crafting/or buying: how much better is +2 to socked bow gems (gives toxic rain+1 and some supports) vs. +2 to socketed support gems? (gives some more supports +2 but not toxic rain)

with a level 4 empower is +2 to support even better then +2 to bows?

or in general +2 support is the more budget version as you can craft it?
You only wanna use +2 to support gems once you have empower in your setup. Then it's gonna boost every gem in the link (toxic rain indirectly through empower levels) while bow gems only buff mirage archer and toxic rain itself, not the remaining supports.

If you use damage on full life / efficacy and can't afford empower, I'd keep running +2 bow gems, it's cheaper overall because the +2 to support costs an ex and you probably want to craft it together with multicraft and another mod, so I'd hold off with it until you have endgame bow.
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Tannhauser1 wrote:
on bow crafting/or buying: how much better is +2 to socked bow gems (gives toxic rain+1 and some supports) vs. +2 to socketed support gems? (gives some more supports +2 but not toxic rain)

with a level 4 empower is +2 to support even better then +2 to bows?

or in general +2 support is the more budget version as you can craft it?

Here's some details on how both work out.

Spoiler
+1 Gems, +2 Bow gems, Level 4 Empower:
Base TR gem: 21
+1 Gems
+2 Bow Gems
+4 from Empower, effectively a level 5 from the +1 gems

Results:
Toxic rain: Level 28
Empower: Level 5
Other supports: Level 25-28, depending on whether they are bow gems, or level 21 base, etc.

+1 Gems, +2 Support gems, level 4 Empower:
Base TR gem: 21
+1 Gems
+6 from Empower, effectively a level 7 from the +1 gems and +2 support gems

Results:
Toxic Rain: Level 28
Empower: Level 7
Other supports: Level 29 - 30, depending on level 20 or 21 base

Bottom line: Same TR level, but much better support gem levels.

Oddly, PoB only shows about a 4% difference in damage output, which I suspect means that PoB isn't working quite the way it should be. According to my napkin calcs, it should be closer to 15%.


Edit: I did this all wrong... Empower only affects "Active skill gems", so no effect on supports.
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Last edited by grimjack68#6087 on Dec 30, 2019, 12:42:40 AM
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grimjack68 wrote:
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outlierlol wrote:
Are the dps calculations still correct with the change to mirage archer? I was trying to figure out where the 1.4 coefficient came from. Do you think running efficacy would be better over mirage archer now?


They are probably not correct anymore. From the wiki:
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Equipping Mirage Archer translates to 27.6% more damage.

As of patch 3.9: 31% less damage and 60% less attack speed.

1 - (31 / 100)) x (1 - (60 / 100)) = 0.276‬.

That said, MA has always been more about convenience than damage. It's what allows us to fire once, and run through a bunch of mobs, and they all die.

It's probably still worthwhile even for bosses - some of the more active fights, I'll hit them once, then circle around avoiding getting hit while my MA pounds out the shots.

In situations where you can stand still and facetank, another gem is going to provide a higher raw DPS - *IF* you can maintain the mana.


makes sense, thanks man
I am farming Sirus now, he is incredibly easy once you learn to deal with the storms. Got The Savior and an Awakened Melee Splash today from one kill, 22ex not too bad!

here's another run to showcase an easy way to deal with the storms, no baiting required.

Hi. How about metamorphs? Wanna tyr this buid, cuz others so boring
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qww177 wrote:
Hi. How about metamorphs? Wanna tyr this buid, cuz others so boring


I'm shredding metamorphs personally. Basically just pop them, drop your totems and frost bomb, and run around a bit.
The 3.9 PoB differs greatly from the guide on this page, most notably in terms of gems, different 6link gems, flesh and stone on helmet, which one should I follow, cause I'm a little confused :/
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crash11 wrote:
The 3.9 PoB differs greatly from the guide on this page, most notably in terms of gems, different 6link gems, flesh and stone on helmet, which one should I follow, cause I'm a little confused :/


indeed, it looks a bit confusing, it would be good to know exactly what we need to run.

Besides that, that's definetly one of the best builds i ever did on this game, im having a blast with it, but im really stuck right now, can someone check my equips and see how i could improve my damage? I was thinking about crafting the last bow on the bow session, but im not good with crafting, and it looks kinda confusing what i should do when crafting :(

Here's my equip

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Holografik wrote:


Besides that, that's definetly one of the best builds i ever did on this game, im having a blast with it, but im really stuck right now, can someone check my equips and see how i could improve my damage? I was thinking about crafting the last bow on the bow session, but im not good with crafting, and it looks kinda confusing what i should do when crafting :(

Here's my equip



I'm new so don't take anything I say as gospel, but from what I can see you're missing a bunch of links/gems that would help, you're not running either grace/vaal grace or flesh&stone, so that's a defensive layer missing. You also dont have blink arrow, or smoke mine, or some other form of movement, no culling link anywhere. Also you could allocate Corruption over Mystic Bulwark, cheap and easy damage.

For crafting I saw this today and despite being super simple it totally clarified it for me as previously I wasn't sure what you're meant to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuEelZIXiAI

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