[3.5] CheeQu's CoC Ice Nova Assassin - Up to 7m Shaper DPS + Amazing Clearspeed [In-Depth Guide]

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Seqqsy wrote:

Tbh with you after investing about 80ex, I have come to terms with that this build isn't all that amazing for uber elder. 99% of the other content, yes you will have 0 problems with. But I myself with all my gear die to uber elder because of cyclone locking or when I try to burst him down I ll think that I can tank his hits ... but I flop sideways.

I have a storm brand character that I just run around with for my uber elder fights. Works like a charm and is cheap to build as well. Many streamers killed uber elder with like lvl 70 2-3 ex worth of gear as storm brand.

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Valicious wrote:

I have massive mana problems with this build. Before I had Pandemonius I used an amulet with -total mana cost and that made it a bit better but now that I have Pandemonius its really not working good at all. I guess I will either skill Mind Drinker or craft/buy an elder ring with mana gain on hit. If anyone has any other ideas lmk.

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mrpetrov wrote:

Hey man, I feel you and empathise totally. I moved to BF and haven't looked back. No animation lock, more consistent damage, no weird pause after shield charging into mobs, faster movement over the course of a map (at least for me) and more precise and immediate movement in boss fights. Check my profile (it's scion but basically the same as the OP unnatural instinct tree).

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DArkiller21 wrote:

I wonder what this is

pretty much a 17% more multiplier

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premierunio wrote:

Guys and it happens :(!

T16 phoenix (alched)/ Masterminds liar/Xoph/Tul became impossible to do.
I dont know what i screwed but i have not enough leech of hp now and not enough DPS to do any of those things, also realized- my DPS went down, just put 2 jewels in my tree.

Got 3APS with cyclone, 24.5% crit chance, after killing mobs 45.5% crit chance, crit multi is decent 434%.

Can sm1 look on my tree and EQ and tell me where im missing that much dps that i cant do those endgame bosses and why my clearspeed (i dont oneshot normal mobs as it was) went down?
Characted on betrayal is: Papierzax

Please Guys help with some wise tips.

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mrpetrov wrote:

Two things, for those of you moving onto uber elder, and finding it difficult to complete with cyclone - give blade flurry a try.

Next thing, can we talk about how cyclone crits?

I've been playing around with both cyclone and BF, and while cyclone does hit twice per attack (as we know, hence the halved aps thresholds compared to BF and other one-hit-per-attack-skills), its crit chance is still, afaik, determined only *once per attack* (not once per hit!).

You can see the difference when you are cycloning around with around a 90% crit chance - quite often (one in ten times, feels like more!) you will just cyclone through a group of mobs without anything happening. And then bam, all the mobs will get deleted as your two hits (one attack) crits on the next attack.

By contrast, blade flurry determines crits once per hit (and once per attack, as it only hits once per attack). With your BF at 6aps, you very rarely get a situation where, for the length of a cyclone animation, you don't get a crit.

BF feels smoother as a result, with less spikey damage - to me at least.

tldr:
- BF at 6aps hits just as often as cyclone at 3aps
- BF at 6aps has twice as many crit rolls as cyclone at 3aps (b/c cyclone determines crits once per attack, not once per hit)
- BF feels smoother as a result with less spikey damage pops
- Cyclone baseline damage is much more sensitive to diamond flask uptime than BF