[3.6] The Blizz Sorc - Icestorm/Winter Orb CI Occultist - Viable For Everything

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Med1umentor wrote:

I really think that using spell cascade in WO+GMP setup is weird, way too overboard, and detrimental to build perfomance. But would rather not argue with veterans on that, cause apparently i'm the only one who thinks that way. So be it, i guess.

I agree on that, it destroys the framerate and doesn't seem to add much.

I'm really digging the 6l, I threw it in the rotation after making it a couple days ago and sold my 5l off last night instead of trying to profit off the 6l. The 6l is popping everything in an instant, I do have a mana flask that I use for bleed removal so mana isn't really an issue.

Only problem is that I've died three times yesterday not swapping back to the leach staff fast enough when I need it.

I wish I could make it easier to see which staff I'm using without having to look for the little red icon in the tool bar.

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teknik1200 wrote:

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Med1umentor wrote:

I really think that using spell cascade in WO+GMP setup is weird, way too overboard, and detrimental to build perfomance. But would rather not argue with veterans on that, cause apparently i'm the only one who thinks that way. So be it, i guess.

I agree on that, it destroys the framerate and doesn't seem to add much.

I'm really digging the 6l, I threw it in the rotation after making it a couple days ago and sold my 5l off last night instead of trying to profit off the 6l. The 6l is popping everything in an instant, I do have a mana flask that I use for bleed removal so mana isn't really an issue.

Only problem is that I've died three times yesterday not swapping back to the leach staff fast enough when I need it.

I wish I could make it easier to see which staff I'm using without having to look for the little red icon in the tool bar.

I guess you can, by using different skin on one of the staffs.
It need some shop currency for that though :)

Guys I accidently instead of making 5L made a 6L:(((( What shall I do now?

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Mighty_fist wrote:

Guys I accidently instead of making 5L made a 6L:(((( What shall I do now?

If possible - buy watcher's eye with "damage leeched as life when affected by vitality" to free gem slot from "life leech", and create full powered winter orb setup (something like [winter orb - CWC - cold penetration - controlled destruction - GMP - conc effect]. You can use hypothermia instead of conc effect, it will be less damage, but conc effect will greatly reduce aoe of winter orb, so don't know if it's worth it).
With that setup you will be covered in both map clearing and boss killing cases without even need to change weapons ([6L WO + 5L icestorm combo] isn't much worse than [6L icestorm single target] even in "1 vs 1 boss confrontation").
Atleast that's how i myself prefer my build. When it comes to winter orb - the harder it's burst damage, the better winter orb feels. Almost tothe point, where 1 free gemslot make it from "meh" to "unbelievably good!", so if you accidentaly transferred to "6L league", i think you should atleast try to take maximum profit from it :)

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Mighty_fist wrote:

Guys I accidently instead of making 5L made a 6L:(((( What shall I do now?

Sell it or use it, same thing happened to me and I love it.

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lilianmarius wrote:

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Tonu wrote:

what kind of Whispering Ice gem setup people are suggesting nowadays if you use Watcher's Eye with Life Leech when using Vitality? I've been trying different ones and can't really decide what's the best.

Winter Orb + Cast While Channelling + Concentrated Effect + Ice Penetration seems pretty much needed, but I'm struggling to decide what 2 gems to run. Been trying Controlled Destruction, Spell Cascade, Elemental Focus, Hypothermia, etc.

And btw, why people are running 21/20 Spell Cascade? Quality increases AOE and that's what you want to do with this build. Also 21/0% quality ones cost almost nothing.

Edit: Mana cost won't be problem and I can run 5 or 6 Linked Whispering Ice. Running -20 mana cost so I'm covered.

The answer it's quite simple :

for bosses : add Controlled Destruction + Hypothermia
for trash(clearing): 5L Winter Orb in the following setup :
Winter Orb - CwC - Cold Penetration - Greater Multiple Projectiles - Controlled Destruction
Add Spell Cascade to this 5L setup in the trash(clearing) staff.
If you really want 6L Winter Orb for trash(clearing) you can remove Spell Cascade and add Hypothermia since Spell Cascade does nothing for WO.

I really don't understand why people are still asking for the staff gem setups when these were already repeated over and over in this thread.

But author is using Elemental Focus over Hypothermia, perhaps a personal preference?

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martyl48 wrote:

But author is using Elemental Focus over Hypothermia, perhaps a personal preference?

Kelvynn probably use Elemental Focus over Hypothermia for Uber Elder fight (i do that also) or some other end game bosses fights where there are close to no additional monsters, fights in which also probably HoI is replaced with PoI. This way he gets the highest %more spell damage multiplier without caring for chilling and freezing effects nullified by using Elemental Focus.

It is never about personal preferences, when it comes to people with very good understanding of the mechanics (Kelvynn is one of them) it is always about min-max the damage effect over a specific encounter without having almost any drawbacks.

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lilianmarius wrote:

Managed to hit 40/40 challenges last night!

Grats!!

I'm working on the Atlas Objectives too, everything else just comes along the way on its own.

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lilianmarius wrote:

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martyl48 wrote:

But author is using Elemental Focus over Hypothermia, perhaps a personal preference?

Kelvynn probably use Elemental Focus over Hypothermia for Uber Elder fight (i do that also) or some other end game bosses fights where there are close to no additional monsters, fights in which also probably HoI is replaced with PoI. This way he gets the highest %more spell damage multiplier without caring for chilling and freezing effects nullified by using Elemental Focus.

It is never about personal preferences, when it comes to people with very good understanding of the mechanics (Kelvynn is one of them) it is always about min-max the damage effect over a specific encounter without having almost any drawbacks.

I explained why I don't use Hypothermia on page 89: CP is better for clear speed, EF is better for bosses.

I also don't think that moving Frost Bomb to CWDT and manually casting Vortex+Bonechill is better than otherwise: Vortex chill is only 10% while AA is 30%. AA makes them take that much more damage.

For my non-Blood Rage setup, I settled on CWDT Vortex (instead of BR). That way I get the best of both worlds.

For 6L chest, after some experiments, I went with simply adding HoI to the link. Since I run Frostbite for everything except Uber Elder and Aul, it synergizes well with HoI: when something dies, it's often frozen, and the resulting HoI explosion spreads Frostbite to all nearby enemies.

I'm going to update the build with my final setup soon.

In the meantime, I've reached Delve 600. This was the final thing I needed to see before declaring the Occultist version the safest BY FAR. Watch this video and read the mods:

New video: Delve 600

This would be not safe at all with the Ascendant version, even with the special Deep Delve setup with 2 curses. With the Occultist it's a cakewalk and I even run Frostbite instead of Enfeeble. If Sulphite was more available, I could easily see myself going to depth 1000 in this league.