[3.4 No mirror facetank ] Reave + DS+ BF (Fast, Tanky, Hdps) -> HC , Miner, All Contents,

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Zerotanker wrote:
Could you drop bloodseeker and go a higher physical rapier then pick up vaal pact?



Hi there,

Vaal pact is really not work well , Even with 20ex+ or mirror claws.

there are some big problem.

1. We cannot get stable life leech.

even if we have
vaal pact 40%
+ slayer (leech is not stopped)
+ Watcher's eye vitality life recovery rate 33%
+ 50% from pantheon.
+ 6% maximum life leech (12 passvies nodes spent ) .

if we could not get 100% maximum of life leech rate per second.
this leech rate could not tank so many boss. there are slayer videos on youtube.
almost 99% of them can kill boss very fast, but they cant do full party .
because they cant tank without flasks.
even have to dodge skill during solo.


2. loss Champion Node. ,

we lost all champion nodes, fortify, taunt, intimidated, movementspeed,

fortify reduce 20% physical damage.
taunt reduced 10% all damage, even boost 10% more dps.
intimidated boost 10%more dps.
and 8% movement speed.


3. we loss 12 passvie nodes.

if we use vaal pact . we have to get maximum life leech from nodes and amulet.
we can get 6% of it from nodes using 12 points.

12 passives nodes is almost 35-50% maximum life or 25~40% more dps.



4. have to use vitality Aura >> Cant use determination.
(life recovery watchers' eye. )

we Cant handle critical damage anymore.
reduce armour too.

5. No more regen (loss 13%-20%) .

feel it. it is very not good stability.


Conclusion.

If we use good mirror claw and vaal pact.

-Gain-
30~40more dps ( 20ex~ 1mirror claw).
we life leech is not stopped when full life.
Culling strike
20% increased damage (1-2 nodes)
20% area effect (1-2 nodes)
Can do physical reflect



-Loss-
Can't facetank huge damage skill , Shaper 3ball, Aul, Lich, So many dps maps boss.
fortify (20% physical damage reduction)
taunt (10% less damage taken, 10%more dps )
intimidated ( 10% more dps)
12passvies point ( 40-50% maximum life or 25~40% more dps )
Determination (armour + 60 critical damage reduction)
Lost 13% regen (19% pantheon)
8% movement speed


So Same dps, We loss Huge Tankiness, life regen.


This is reason why i don't like overleech melee build. Grass-Cannon And expensive.
And so many people know that Overleech build could get dps but not tanky.
Last edited by kyarate on Oct 2, 2018, 10:54:32 PM
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gehirnchirurg wrote:
don't follow this built, changed gems to damage on full life, next thing is that slayer is better (overleech) and last but not least get higher phys weapons with vaal pact.


Yes i wanted to do overleech too,
but i changed . Here is reason .


Spoiler
Hi there,

Even with 20ex+ or mirror claws + slayer

there are some big problem.

1. We cannot get stable life leech.

even if we have
vaal pact 40%
+ slayer (leech is not stopped)
+ Watcher's eye vitality life recovery rate 33%
+ 50% from pantheon.
+ 6% maximum life leech (12 passvies nodes spent ) .

if we could not get 100% maximum of life leech rate per second.
this leech rate could not tank so many boss. there are slayer videos on youtube.
almost 99% of them can kill boss very fast, but they cant do full party .
because they cant tank without flasks.
even have to dodge skill during solo.


2. loss Champion Node. ,

we lost all champion nodes, fortify, taunt, intimidated, movementspeed,

fortify reduce 20% physical damage.
taunt reduced 10% all damage, even boost 10% more dps.
intimidated boost 10%more dps.
and 10% movement speed.


3. we loss 12 passvie nodes.

if we use vaal pact . we have to get maximum life leech from nodes and amulet.
we can get 6% of it from nodes using 12 points.

12 passives nodes is almost 35-50% maximum life or 25~40% more dps.



4. have to use vitality Aura >> Cant use determination.
(life recovery watchers' eye. )

we Cant handle critical damage anymore.
reduce armour too.

5. No more regen (loss 13%-20%) .

feel it. it is very not good stability.


Conclusion.

If we use good mirror claw and vaal pact.

-Gain-
30~40more dps ( 20ex~ 1mirror claw).
we life leech is not stopped when full life.
Culling strike



-Loss-
Can't facetank huge damage skill , Shaper 3ball, Aul, Lich, So many dps maps boss.
fortify (20% physical damage reduction)
taunt (10% less damage taken, 10%more dps )
intimidated ( 10% more dps)
12passvies point ( 40-50% maximum life or 25~40% more dps )
Determination (armour + 60 critical damage reduction)
Lost 13% regen (19% pantheon)




This is reason why i don't like overleech melee build. Grass-Cannon And expensive.
And so many people know that Overleech build could get dps but not tanky.


Not offence.

What is benefit of that?
if you are fine, Can you let me know any build? tanky with high dps
over-leech build.?

i could not find anything on youtuble . forum too.

If it has more spec with more tankiness, stability. dps

i will change, I just really want to improve my build as possible as i can.

Last edited by kyarate on Oct 2, 2018, 10:55:31 PM
good build, recommended.
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diibaduuba wrote:
good build, recommended.


T,.T THX
I don't write or reply on forum very often. I joined 5 years ago and I never really played the game to its end-game potential. Always played in acts and very early mapping. This time around, I wanted to really try to get into it. With my darn fetish for melee characters and broke budget, it was really hard to make it happen.

THIS BUILD THO.

Seriously satisfying. I demand melee builds to have capability to tank hits while sticking to targets. I am no where close to the final build, but I am pretty confident that this might work. I spent more currency than I did before, but the fact that build is paying off on the commitment is reassuring.

Thanks for the build and keep up the good work!
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mnb9889 wrote:
I don't write or reply on forum very often. I joined 5 years ago and I never really played the game to its end-game potential. Always played in acts and very early mapping. This time around, I wanted to really try to get into it. With my darn fetish for melee characters and broke budget, it was really hard to make it happen.

THIS BUILD THO.

Seriously satisfying. I demand melee builds to have capability to tank hits while sticking to targets. I am no where close to the final build, but I am pretty confident that this might work. I spent more currency than I did before, but the fact that build is paying off on the commitment is reassuring.

Thanks for the build and keep up the good work!



you make me cry T>T

Thx a a lot.

Today so many people focus on only overleech..

before mine came out, Only dps, life meta could work,

But now we need balance, defense too. It's New meta.
Hey there.

So i think i have some decent gear. I am still missing the Unnatural Instinct jewel.

I am not able to facetank normal atziri. She always 1 shots me whenever i get to clone phase.

Could you check my character and see what i am missing? All res is 80% except chaos, which is -60%.
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Zetomical wrote:
Hey there.

So i think i have some decent gear. I am still missing the Unnatural Instinct jewel.

I am not able to facetank normal atziri. She always 1 shots me whenever i get to clone phase.

Could you check my character and see what i am missing? All res is 80% except chaos, which is -60%.




did you hit mirror clone?
this clone reflect all damage you dont have to hit it ( you can see mirror on her hand)

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did you hit mirror clone?
this clone reflect all damage you dont have to hit it ( you can see mirror on her hand)



aah that's probably what it was. Forgot about boss mechanics heh. Thanks!
A leveling guide would be great! (e.g. what order to acquire skills)
All that and a bag of chips!

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