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Hi

I love this build!

I have a question do you test change one ring for the hungry loop.
I can change one ring without lose resistance. I just lose +70 life

But in hungry loop i can put raise zombies with feeding frenzy + elemental army + minion damage + other support

And put skitterbot to helmet

The zombies lose +2 level but gain 2 support gem

It seems to make more dps and just lose 70 life...

What do you think of this idea ?

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ElCatti wrote:

At least that would allow you to use a good shield.

poachers mark don't generate charges on bosses without mobs while this shield does it's work always...
Anyway, what you suggest as a good shield? Magna Eclipsis/Lioneye's Remorse? I have ideas abuot going with some shield with power of curses, rare or atziri's reflection, but not sure it's worth it.

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theio666 wrote:

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ElCatti wrote:

At least that would allow you to use a good shield.

poachers mark don't generate charges on bosses without mobs while this shield does it's work always...
Anyway, what you suggest as a good shield? Magna Eclipsis/Lioneye's Remorse? I have ideas abuot going with some shield with power of curses, rare or atziri's reflection, but not sure it's worth it.

If your spectres deal enough damage and you can do without their frenzy charges i guess that the shield just functions as a giant defense tool. lioneyes remorse is really nice, but the reduced movementspeed really sucks and other than life it does not provide much. i think a nice rare shield with 120+ Life and/or % Life in combination with "reduced mana reservation" is the way to go. magma eclipsis is on the other hand a really nice budget option, which anyone can consider using.

a rare shield is also a nice option, because u dont have to stick with armour shields, but can also go dex variants. they provide really nice implicits, like 9% movementspeed.

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j0hnnyclaymore wrote:

So 6 Spectres can only be used in helmet right?
What should someone put in chest after getting spectre to l31?

Can someone help me?

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BloodyHawl wrote:

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theio666 wrote:

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ElCatti wrote:

At least that would allow you to use a good shield.

poachers mark don't generate charges on bosses without mobs while this shield does it's work always...
Anyway, what you suggest as a good shield? Magna Eclipsis/Lioneye's Remorse? I have ideas abuot going with some shield with power of curses, rare or atziri's reflection, but not sure it's worth it.

If your spectres deal enough damage and you can do without their frenzy charges i guess that the shield just functions as a giant defense tool. lioneyes remorse is really nice, but the reduced movementspeed really sucks and other than life it does not provide much. i think a nice rare shield with 120+ Life and/or % Life in combination with "reduced mana reservation" is the way to go. magma eclipsis is on the other hand a really nice budget option, which anyone can consider using.

a rare shield is also a nice option, because u dont have to stick with armour shields, but can also go dex variants. they provide really nice implicits, like 9% movementspeed.

Hmm, but why should I go for reduced reservation? I'm curently using wrath + Summon Skitterbots, I should use more auras?

You really dont have to, i am not sure myself. after certain items and milestones are me you have, as a summoner, quit a bit of freedom to do whatever u want and still succeed. each with their own way.

If u would go that route you could add a flesh and stone and take "sovereignty" on passive tree, which would add an addional defense layer, and still have enough mana left for all your needs.

[edit:] last one had to remove, doesnt work. nevermind ;)

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BloodyHawl wrote:

You really dont have to, i am not sure myself. after certain items and milestones are met, you have as a summoner, quit a bit of freedom to do whatever u want and still succeed. each with their own way.

If u would go that route you could add a flesh and stone, which would add an addional defense layer, and still have enough mana left for all your needs.

If u would remove either "Spiritual Aid" + "Redemption" OR "Enduring Bond" from your passive tree and put them all (4 points) into "Sovereignty" (and the two reduced mana nodes befor that), you will have enough mana reservation to go wrath+ skitterbots + zealotry (wrath+zealotry in shield with generosity) and still have enough mana left. if u would go this route i would check befor with PoB if you would have enough mana left, iam not 100% sure on this one.

Oh, big thanks, for now I feel lacking damage at T15-T16 maps, but still have room for improvement : +1 wand -> +2 wand, better jewels, lvl 20 spectre -> lvl 21 spectre and other things, not sure what I want to go for helm lvl 31 spectre setup... so I really have some freedom now :)

Probably after getting good rare boots instead of bones of ullr I'll test some shields you mentioned, also, wanted to try the surrender shield

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j0hnnyclaymore wrote:

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j0hnnyclaymore wrote:

So 6 Spectres can only be used in helmet right?
What should someone put in chest after getting spectre to l31?

Can someone help me?

Actually there are quit a few different ways to get six spectres.

A +3 Minion helmet in combination with +1 Minion, +1 Spectre Level boots and a lv4 empower should grant you lv31 spectres. To make this work, u also have to look for a +3 helmet with 2 Damage Mods, like conc. effect and minion damage for your spectres. But they can quit expensive. On the other side, every way to get lv31 spectres is expensive.

Other ways are:

- a +2 spell gems / +2 support gems 2h Staff (like i use, you can see it on my char _Skar_)
- a +1 socketed gems / +2 support gems 2h Warstaff (easiest and cheapest of all variants)
- a +1 socketed gems / +2 support gems Bow (crafting is easy, but colouring the sockets is super expensive if u dont have vorici in syndicate/research to colour 1-3 sockets at random white)


All ways provide pros and cons, i try to show them all:

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Minion Helmet
+ allows the option to use shields
+ shield charge as movementskill

- i guess the Helmet provides less damage than any other 6 spectre variant, with medium or high currency investment. If u can invest a lot, your spectres can do more dmg (Note: i can be really wrong with this one)
- can cost a lot. you really need the mods "+3 minions", "Minion Damage" lv20 (or lower) and a third damage mod, like "Conc. Effect"
- instead of your weaponslots, your helmet is now fixed/occuption with a set item (and you potentially loose a lot of life and/or other features this can provide)

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Staff
+ a lot of global gem levels! my zombies are lv26, my animated guardian is lv26 and my golem is lv26. with an empower lv4 gem, they would all be lv27. that provides a huge amount of life and with 1 or 2 defense gems they are nearly immortal.
+ global gem levels also increase the dmg output of my auras. there is quit a difference between a lv 21 or a lv23 wrath
+ provides 18% attack block
+ movement through leap is quit nice

- it is quit expensive to craft or buy. the "+1/+2 all spem gem" mod is super rare (same rarity as t2 physical dmg). i burned through more than 1000 alterations to hit it. and after that u have to be either lucky or go the safe route with beast crafts (costs over 1ex each)
- you cant equip an shield or a quiver and loose that items possible defense mods. could be a lot of life, movemenspeed, etc.

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Warstaff
+ cheapest of all listed variants. +1 socketed gems is not that rare; it is hit quit fast
+ 18% attackblock
+ as a warstaff colouring the sockets can be quit easy
+ movement through leap is quit nice

- does not provide global gem level
- cant wear shields / quiver

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Bow + Quiver
+ perhaps the "best" variant, as it adds the option to equip quivers
+ quivers: can provide around 90+/- life, 10% movementspeed, dex, resistances, etc.

- no leap or shield charge, you have to rely on phase walk and/or blink arrow and/or flame dash to move
- no global gem levels, only gems in the bow are leveled up

[Edit:]
To note is, that the Staff/Warstaff/Bow setup does not require any different passive tree than the pledge of hands build from this guide. at least according to my PoB they provide roughly the same dmg, even a bit more. Although i'm 100% sure that i have missed something in my PoB setup and dmg is actually a bit more than shown for me.


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Regarding your chest, if u go with a lv31 spectre gem in helmet: I would put "Zombie", "Animated Guardian", "Elemental Army" in it. Rest depends on your individuel setup. I try to put "Feeding Frenzy" in it, as it doesnt change the aggressiveness of my slave driver in any way and therefor dont have to be in my staff (at least i cant see any difference). Then either one or two defensive support gems (like "Minion Life" and/or "Empower"). If u have a spare socket you can put an golem in or not.

My "core" Setup (although my Staff grants +2 spell levels):
Zombie
Animated Guardian
Elemental Army (to buff spectres and defense of other minions)
Feeding Frenzy (to buff spectres)

The last two sockets depend on the current survivability of your minions. Golem and/or Minion Life and/or Empower.

[[Chaos Golem, or any other, can also be put in an additional unset ring)]]

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j0hnnyclaymore wrote:

Actually there are quit a few different ways to get six spectres.

A +3 Minion helmet in combination with +1 Minion, +1 Spectre Level boots and a lv4 empower should grant you lv31 spectres. To make this work, u also have to look for a +3 helmet with 2 Damage Mods, like conc. effect and minion damage for your spectres. But they can quit expensive. On the other side, every way to get lv31 spectres is expensive.

Hey ;)

I am using this helm atm:



and having also:



will it be OK if I get Empower 4 and put Raise Spectre gem in helm, then the gem will become level 31, but helm got only Conc Effect support and Immolate. So not sure if that will be OK and that +1 Spectre to make them 6 in total will be better compared to instead 5 and the gem being in 6L sock like it is atm:



:)

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eileenbg wrote:

Hey ;)

I am using this helm atm:

will it be OK if I get Empower 4 and put Raise Spectre gem in helm, then the gem will become level 31, but helm got only Conc Effect support and Immolate. So not sure if that will be OK and that +1 Spectre to make them 6 in total will be better compared to instead 5 and the gem being in 6L sock like it is atm:

:)

i maybe totally wrong, as i dont have any experience with mirrored items, but i think that u wont be able to change the socket colours of this helmet.

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havnt seen the two white sockets, my bad! You have to try it with Path of Building, but at first glance i think that the dmg will be at best the same.