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redix27 wrote:

Well, i have testing vs Minotaur real DPS vs PoB DPS with SD:

Minotaur has 12.472.323 HP life / secs for killing him

1) Wand + Shield

Killed in 4 secs

2) Pledge of Hands

Killed in 6 secs

Very interesting. I think they're both very fast kills. I actually prefer Pledge of Hand because of the in-build increased aoe - it makes mapping feel a lot better.

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I'm currently theorycrafting a re-build around Pledge of Hands as an 'advanced' variant, so if anyone inspects my character, don't be alarmed the main build won't be changed.

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igor_lazarew wrote:

Could you please explain what links should boots have? It’s where Generosity+Haste+etc
I don’t understand if you choose 4-link, because in ascendancy tree we have a skill that gives us several good buffs if we have aura effect. But Generosity is not allowing us to hav this buff...

And why did you change Summon sceletons to another gem? You still writing to use it as meatshield somewhere, but in the guide is no SS :( (or Vaal SS)

Also, I should I use Crest of Perandus or Springleaf instead of Victario Charity? Leech/regenerate will be more profit then ~10% resistances. What do you think? Please answer, i’m waiting for several days ;)

Victario's Charity + Necromantic Aegis is for the frenzy & power charges. This can increased spectre damage by up to 50%!

(It's much higher than the effect on Fire-Eaters beacuse they have 0% crit)

Does the guide still mention skeleton meatshields? That's a mistake. Sorry about that (the guide is about 50,000 characters long and is actually very difficult to edit). The new set up (BV + added fire) is designed to make mapping easier/faster.

Aura effect from Commander of Darkness comes from the Dread Banner. Vaal Haste is actually in the Generosity group to give your spectres a speed boost when you need it. Don't activiate Haste aura.

Lost another spec on an elder run... fixed the issue though.

Went and took an axiom node for the +80% minion health. I really hate having to run oba for the re-summons.

Hopefully this fixes the dead spec issue. Really like the specs.

NS

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laiozatt wrote:

Similar to mine, tho i still use tabula rasa cuz im poor

This is the cheapest summoner build you will find on the forum - you can have 4 6-linked spectres for just 3 chaos. Get a helmet with conc effect and min damage for 2c and an unlinked Vis for 1c.
Helmet:
https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Legion/BqQwkU8

Vis:
https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Legion/xWXmfm


Why spend 6ex on a 6-link Vis?

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Nightstone13 wrote:

quick update... continued to play around with the SD's. lost all 4 on a t15 legion encounter. wiped all 4 out in seconds. Level 84 sd's.

good for some stuff... not legion...

NS

I've lost Enhanced Vaal in Legion encounters. Those things have 260k hp and are res-capped. I think they die to some massive physical hit with crazy mods. Some legion stuff is just ridiculous.

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Nightstone13 wrote:

curious to see how the SD's do in delve. Thats another high dps area that can get very rippy fast.

I did some bosses in standard. Videos include the run and you can see the mod list. Ahu was incredible difficult with 100% inc aoe. I just kept getting one shotted if I even stopped moving to cast arma brand.

Ahuatotli | 556 Depth - https://youtu.be/TByqgYA86dE

Kurgal | 466 Depth - https://youtu.be/arrdObu93Hc

I have Aul at 660, but I get one-shotted every time I try it.

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Nightstone13 wrote:

I really hate having to run oba for the re-summons.

In all my videos, I actually just use level 83 spectres that I raise in my mine.

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laiozatt wrote:

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Shouldnt they tank a lot? They die rly fast for the phoenix for example.

You need to move your spectres away when Phoenix is charging his bomb attack because:

Phoenix Firebomb

Deals 8781 to 13172 Fire Damage
Charges for 4 seconds
-50% Fire Resistance on Hit



AG must have capped resistances and you really need it to be at least level 23 (ie. in +3 helmet or Empower 4 support or BOTH!). Try to stack regen gear on it if you really want it to live.

My AG survived Cortex fights that killed my i86 spectres...

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zixav wrote:

I know it is beyond monster, but wouldn't Eye of Tzteosh be superior in this build?

Apart for the difficulty in getting one to spawn in the first place, Slave Drivers do more overall damage.

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IxAMxSTUMPY wrote:

Anyone know why we're using Vis Mortis over delve chest?

Purely cost reasons. Unlinked Vis costs 1c and a 6-link will cost you 5ex. Rare delve chests start at around 1-2ex now and then you need to play the Annul lottery, put 6 sockets on it, get the right colours on your sockets (most of the time the cheap ones are strength base, so good luck getting 6 blue sockets), then smash fuses on it and hope you hit the 6L.

I have the rare delve chest in the 'advanced' section now.

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Feurn wrote:

So i did a max block variation of the build

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Different gear :

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I added 2 jewel with 1% (or can use 5% crafted helm) and changed my tree (left side only). With those tweaks i can run Aspect of Spider + 2 auras + Banner. I have 7.2k life and 1.1k ES, + 2 perma endurance charges.

My gear is not really all optimised. Did all content deathless (exept delves boss didnt try). My AG and spectres never died during U-Elder fight. Clearing still good without Charity, but definetly slower. Ill continue this way and get better gear (+3 helm with -9% res, enchant, better jewels, more ES on gear, better shield, etc.)

Thanks again for the build.

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livejamie wrote:

I've tried a few versions and I'm really enjoying my Soulwrest Variant

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I find the clear with the SDs on their own lacking.

I tried Arakali's Fang, but found summoning the spiders kinda awkward.

Yes, SDs are definitely not the best at map clearing, especially if you're pushing towards 200%ms. But, I have noticed they clear better if used in Pledge of Hands because of the in-build inc aoe which stacks with inc aoe support!

I'm working on a quasi-hybrid variant with Pledge that focuses on block instead of acrobatics, as well as Diadem + Wicked Ward for ES. I'm building it differently to Uberelite, as I'm avoiding the use of any Legion league jewels for futureproofing. It's very much a theorycraft and may ultimately fail.

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WaffleT wrote:

Do you know how these numbers were generated? I pasted that jewel in and get 1.7 Mil DPS per spectre which I don't believe is accurate.

I wonder if that jewel is adding in the damage of slave drivers on top of the damage from bearded shamen and then giving you the total of both?

Minion builds in particular tend to be misrepresentative/fuzzy when looking at pob numbers so I don't tend to take their final readouts that seriously.

I have not tested pledge with spectres... it just locked them into their worse spell for longer whenever they used it over the good spell

Just snipped the important stuff.

I think the main problem is that the spectre isn't in PoB and that Pledge of Hands isn't coded in either (specifically Greater Spell Echo), so the numbers aren't representative of what's really happening.

There's also something that doesn't show up in the numbers, which is the feel of PoH. I've been alternating Uber Elder runs between Pledge and wand+shield, and Pledge feels a lot better, both in mapping and boss killing.

The other issues, which you mention, is that minion dps shows you an instantenous number that is calculated from an average hit. It is no where near real dps because of minion AI and other factors. For example, SDs also do a melee attack, so that drops their effective dps to 0. I've talked to Uber about this, and we think Pledge feels better because of the 3 repeats preventing the spectre from moving (and possible switching to melee attack).