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Kayella, bad news, new spectres cant survive at 460+ in delve, got toally deleted , node was bad tho, poison, onslaught, 2x ele dmg ect, but still.

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ashanae wrote:

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saintonan wrote:

For those asking, the whip tendrils are classified as projectiles, so projectile supports still work. I need to experiment more with slower projectiles - that might be a cheap way to get another decent damage increment.

I tried faster proj, GMP/LMP, Chain, Fork ect ect, looks like nothing works, also they got natural pierce.

So it projectails but it isnt same time

I have done more testing and research.

When you look at their poedb entry (https://poedb.tw/mon.php?n=Slave+Driver), you can see two boxes.

Melee skill_can_fire_arrows [1]
Melee skill_can_fire_wand_projectiles [1]

FlameWhip Deals 1461 to 4384 Lightning Damage
SlavedriverFlameWhip active_skill_area_of_effect_radius_+%_final
65% reduced Cast Speed

It's a little confusing at first, but basically ignore the first box. The spell they are casting is 'FlameWhip' which has the aoe tag. Not projectiles.

To verify this, I searched for other monsters that also use FlameWhip:
https://poedb.tw/us/search.php?q=flamewhip

There are a number of monsters that use the same ability!

Dusk Horrors (https://poedb.tw/us/mon.php?n=Dusk+Horror), for example, have these abilities:

Melee skill_can_fire_arrows [1]
Melee skill_can_fire_wand_projectiles [1]

FlameWhip Deals 463 to 694.5 Cold Damage
LunarisWhipperFlameWhip

MonsterProjectileSpell Deals 385.6 to 578.4 Cold Damage
LunarisWhipperProjectile monster_projectile_variation


I tested these guys and they are definitely projectile based, so with GMP, they spam the screen with their spell. Awesome for map clear. However, they only seem to use their ranged spell ONCE, then proceed to attack in melee. So, if you use gems to support the spell, they will do almost no damage in melee. Disappointing.


Tested more spectres and found that Crazed Drivers are also pretty good. (https://poedb.tw/us/mon.php?n=Crazed+Driver). They do less base damage but it's physical, so they can gain about 60% of phys as cold with Grip of the Council & Hatred + Generosity. This allows them to freeze/shatter!

Mapping demo (Hydra): https://youtu.be/1FszuWR6SjA

I'm really not sure what to do with the build guide update.

Originally this build guide was dedicated to Cannibal Fire-Eaters to give everyone an alternative to Tukohamas Vanguards and then Solar Guards. The guide became popular in 3.6 when people realised how good they were (especially at boss killing). But, ever since Cannibal Fire-Eaters got nerfed, everyone has been looking for a replacement spectre.

Many of us have gone back to Solar Guards, some of us have started using Frost Sentinels, some have stuck with Fire-Eaters and some have even dabbled with Enhanced Vaal. We have even tried combos, such as spectre + spiders or mixed spectres. As a result the guide morphed into a general spectre summoner guide with mini guides for min-maxing a particular spectre.

Now, we've found a sleeper in Act 5 that is not represented in PoB, the Slave Driver. Even without min-maxing, they seem to exceed the power of pre-nerf Fire-Eaters, they are great for mapping and absolutely pump out DPS. And they have a cousin in Act 10 that is physical based, which then allows us to boost their damage with Hatred & Grip of the Council, thus giving the spectre the ability to freeze/shatter.

Catering for a large range of spectres is making the build guide confusing because each spectre uses different supports and slot colouring. So, I would like to move away from the general guide and back to a specialised guide for Slave Drivers & Crazed Drivers.


How do people feel about that?

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kayella wrote:

So, I would like to move away from the general guide and back to a specialised guide for Slave Drivers & Crazed Drivers.


How do people feel about that?

Yes, now it´s a bit confused guide, so would be nice to move into a specialised guide (pseudo 6L and full 6L) for Slave Drivers & Crazed Drivers.

Something I noticed about the specters - using concentrated effect in one of the links means you can use an elder hat with minion damage and concentrated effect as a pesudo 6 link (or I guess an elder hat with minion damage, concentrated effect and minion life to get around the low HP issue, but that helm wouldn't have any room for life modifiers for you, causing a whole new low HP issue)
This also frees up a couple gem slots, and/or lets you use 2 6links at once, although I'm not really sure what you would do with the other. Anyone know if golem hybrid build or skeletons would be viable?

Edit: also, considering this is becoming three or four builds in one, with their own gem colors and uniques used, I'd agree with splitting the thread

This sounds great, but im one of the noobies here, I've really enjoyed every part of the guides you have put out, only problems I've had were my own and fixed with help from you or the community here

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kayella wrote:

So, I would like to move away from the general guide and back to a specialised guide for Slave Drivers & Crazed Drivers.

I totally agree. I tried this build (spiders + Enhanced Vaal) and really liked it but i moved out really early (lvl 85, and killed U-Elder at lvl 74).

I re-geared my summoner to try Slave Driver and the dps is insane lol. I just have some survivability issues in legion T16 sometimes. I would like to see a specialized build around this spectre. Thanks!

Sounds great to focus on one spectre

How do u trigger ele equilibrium exactly? If I use only cannibal fire eaters, they only use fire elemental right? Or am I missing something?

Use storm brand or blade vortex with lightning damage to spells