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kayella wrote:
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Mantikera wrote:
Why you think SGs are better than FS ?
Isn't the freezing good for the legion mechanics ?
What if we can get to around 1m dps per FS (Magritte's build) ? SG's are still better option ?


Freeze/Shatter is an amazing mechanic and I absolutely love it. I don't notice porcupines because they all get shattered!

However, frost sentinel shoot an extreme obnoxious ice spear that covers your screen in bright white spam, making it hard to see anything. It can also cause FPS drop, and if you freeze/shatter large numbers of monsters at the same time, it can cause game freezes/stutter.

SGs have much higher damage and don't cover the screen in fireball spam.


I totaly agree the bright spam might be annoying but i just can't understand why people say that Solar Guard build have much higher damage than Magritte's Frost Sentinel.
When i check POB i see 1.171.096 total dps from Frost Sentinel against 827.892 total dps from Solar Guard.

I'm probably missing something, please help me understand.

Edit: I'm comparing OP's pastebin (SG) vs Magritte's (FS).
Last edited by Mantikera#7451 on Jun 27, 2019, 7:54:05 PM
Im struggling with Phase Run. Its quite to short without Increased Duration support. In old videos we can see Duration support with Phase Run.
At actuall build there is nothing about that.

I just got focused too many times. Just looking into solution. As my clear speed is weak without Duration Jewel on
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Mantikera wrote:


I totaly agree the bright spam might be annoying but i just can't understand why people say that Solar Guard build have much higher damage than Magritte's Frost Sentinel.
When i check POB i see 1.171.096 total dps from Frost Sentinel against 827.892 total dps from Solar Guard.

I'm probably missing something, please help me understand.

Edit: I'm comparing OP's pastebin (SG) vs Magritte's (FS).


I'm around 1,2 mil dps per spectre on Solar Guards atm, but with MUCH less cost than Magritte's sentinels.
Decided to test Frost Sentinels out and they are NUTS.

Although, if you have an older PC or if you are sensitive to bright lights, stay FAR FAR away! :^)

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hercanic wrote:
FROST SENTINELS (Spectres)
Frost Sentinels deal ~63% of Solar Guard damage, but their Ice Spears gain 50% more damage in their second form, putting them at a nearly identical 94% damage. Their range is the same as a Solar Guard's special beam cannon. They are like snipers, able to attack ahead of you from the other end of the screen instead of trying to catch up to you. With their extra projectiles and casting from further back, they cover far more of the screen than Solar Guards who have -50% range on their fireball spell.


SOLAR GUARD (Spectre)
Solar Guards have potentially several times more damage if their fireball explosions overlap. These explosions do not happen if the projectiles Pierce, so monsters must be close to walls for this to matter.

Last edited by meltedopen#2082 on Jun 27, 2019, 9:41:55 PM
For anyone on PS4 - fire eaters are far and away the most viable spectre in terms of lag. Frost guards are unplayable due to turning your machine into a microwave. SGs can also not be played with the gmp jewel. Using pierce instead in the green socket is the only way to use them.
Hey guys i got 4 Slum Lord (80% increase minions damage).
Also 2 Axiom Warden (80% increase minions life) for 3 and 4 skill points.

These are the losses (plus skillpoints i'll have to take from somewhere else to invest to reach those Elegant Hubris nodes):
25% minions damage
10% minions life
30% minions accuracy
40 intelligence
38% maximum life
5% all resist
28% mana

It is worth trying to reach them ?
I will have to replace many skill points there.

Last edited by Mantikera#7451 on Jun 27, 2019, 10:57:06 PM
You have 4,5 k life loosing another 38% will make you TOTAL glass cannon.
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Mantikera wrote:
I totaly agree the bright spam might be annoying but i just can't understand why people say that Solar Guard build have much higher damage than Magritte's Frost Sentinel.
When i check POB i see 1.171.096 total dps from Frost Sentinel against 827.892 total dps from Solar Guard.

I'm probably missing something, please help me understand.

Edit: I'm comparing OP's pastebin (SG) vs Magritte's (FS).


When I talk about numbers, I just mean using the basic build and doing the basic gem swap and spectre swap. So it's a 'like vs like' comparison.

Magritte's build is a specialist frost sentinel build that pushes their DPS as high as possible, so you need to compare to another specialist high dps build. Then you get numbers like this:



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With Frost Sentinel + Phantoms i have 8kk shaper dps. 544k from each specter and 523k from each phantom.

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Last edited by nilke46#7344 on Jun 28, 2019, 5:11:09 AM
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ashanae wrote:
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Mantikera wrote:


I totaly agree the bright spam might be annoying but i just can't understand why people say that Solar Guard build have much higher damage than Magritte's Frost Sentinel.
When i check POB i see 1.171.096 total dps from Frost Sentinel against 827.892 total dps from Solar Guard.

I'm probably missing something, please help me understand.

Edit: I'm comparing OP's pastebin (SG) vs Magritte's (FS).


I'm around 1,2 mil dps per spectre on Solar Guards atm, but with MUCH less cost than Magritte's sentinels.

With slower projectiles?

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