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So, I feel like my DPS is hyper low for the investment I've put in so far.

Is pure spectres just a bad bossing build or did I do something terible wrong?

I'm using 5x Syndicate Operatives and all the best gems except GMP (not sure if I want to invest another 40ex in a build that doesn't seem to be going anywhere good).

How do you do damage? I feel like half the time my spectres are jerking off leaving my 3ex Animate Guardian to die.

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Waltzbear wrote:

Thanks again for the amazing suggestions and clarifications, Setissleeping!

I have re-calibrated my character based on your suggestions. I still have about 8 passive points to allocate at lvl 95 (probably my max). What would you suggest?

https://pastebin.com/x8216Z41

(I have also put in a Summon Animate Guardian supported by Minion Life Support gem...but am still too timid to raise a Kingmaker + Stitched Demon for fear of it dying.)

Sure thing. After looking at your POB, I noticed your life is a little low (4.9k~) so I would grab some more HP nodes as well as the Enduring Bond circle to increase your DPS as well. After those changes, you should have about 5.5k HP along with a nice bump to your minion DPS.

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Ilnez wrote:

Is pure spectres just a bad bossing build or did I do something terible wrong?

This build is exceptionally strong at bossing once you practice gathering all your SO's in a cone next to the boss so that most if not all their projectiles are hitting the boss (convocation is how you quickly perform this), dealing extreme amounts of damage in a short time, this is the shotgun effect Kay has talked about in her videos.

You can also share your PoB so we can take a look, I'd be happy to help.

Anyone have experience in using lithomancer ?
My SO keep die in devel 4xx so I want try lithomancer. See that physical spell so I can use CC and echo?

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kayella wrote:

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xMYR wrote:

Hey, this build is the most fun iv had any many leagues. I just got my 2nd cluster jewel and looking for the next upgrade.
is it worth changing my raise specter(in pure specter build) to a helm with:
Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 20 Minion Damage
Socketed Gems are Supported by Level 20 Hypothermia
Minions deal 25% increased Damage
if so, what do I do with the 6L now ? I'm guessing the aura's but how does that work with no reduced reservation?

Diadem build you have:
Raise Spectre + Aw Minion Damage + Aw ED + Aw VP + Pred + Aw GMP
RS + 54% more + 59% more + 64% more + (25%+25%) -26%


Helmet build only gives normal gem mods instead of awakened:
Raise Spectre + Minion D + Hypo + Aw VP + Pred + Aw GMP
RS + 49% more + 39% more + 64% more + (25%+25%) -26%


Basically you lose 54% more and 59% more -> 49% more and 39% more. So you really need +3 gem level!


Helmet build uses Hatred + Skitter + bonechill.Skitter + bonechill = enemies takes 17% added cold damage, but lose haste aura (35% inc attack speed) + vaal haste (66% increase attack speed).


Usually people use 6L for support minions.

I just got this

another stupid question :
"Helmet build uses Hatred + Skitter + bonechill.Skitter + bonechill"
So the link is generosity+ hatred+ skitter + bonechill ?

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xMYR wrote:

I just got this

another stupid question :
"Helmet build uses Hatred + Skitter + bonechill.Skitter + bonechill"
So the link is generosity+ hatred+ skitter + bonechill ?

You will have to use Avatar of Fire to counteract the 'cold damage to spells' mod on that helmet, or your EE will not work properly.

And yes, the link would be Skitterbots + Bonechill Support + Hatred + Generosity (or preferably Aw. Generosity).

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zenrom wrote:

Anyone have experience in using lithomancer ?
My SO keep die in devel 4xx so I want try lithomancer. See that physical spell so I can use CC and echo?

Do you have enough leech?

Lithomancer is not good. The cast time is slow even with spell echo (and you need pierce).

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setissleeping wrote:

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xMYR wrote:

I just got this

another stupid question :
"Helmet build uses Hatred + Skitter + bonechill.Skitter + bonechill"
So the link is generosity+ hatred+ skitter + bonechill ?

You will have to use Avatar of Fire to counteract the 'cold damage to spells' mod on that helmet, or your EE will not work properly.

And yes, the link would be Skitterbots + Bonechill Support + Hatred + Generosity (or preferably Aw. Generosity).

I was feeling that something was off, stupid of me not to realize the cold damage/EE contradiction.
Thank you : )

Can someone help me, I switched to kay pure spectre, playing crabbies, but my character sucks, low survavibility ( dies every map, farming essences in hamlet), low damage too, cant finish ultimatums, here is my pob https://pastebin.com/sAz4wRTD

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petrachi wrote:

Can someone help me, I switched to kay pure spectre, playing crabbies, but my character sucks, low survavibility ( dies every map, farming essences in hamlet), low damage too, cant finish ultimatums, here is my pob https://pastebin.com/sAz4wRTD

Hey there, here's a few things I managed to see from your POB:

You are using Unwavering Stance, this kills your Lunaris Pantheon (which when upgraded, is very important for survival since projectiles can chain, and we have a lot of minions so it can be quite deadly without it) and your Jade Flask also becomes useless. I would unsocket those points and get more HP, especially the HP nodes that have chaos resistance around Purity of Flesh.

I would suggest grabbing a ghastly jewel with a bit more chance to blind/taunt than 4% and 3%, at least 5% of each should be vastly better - minion movement speed is really important for crabbies as they aren't as fast as Syndicate Ops so you can also try out using feeding frenzy on your crabbies instead of Predator and see if you like that better (switch to Predator for bossing if needed).

Your raise spectre gem reaches only level 26, making your crabbies only monster level 78, which is too underpowered for red maps (T16 is level 83, 5 levels above your spectres) - you should try to get them to at least level 80, if not higher. There are multiple ways to achieve this: +2 minion wand, +2 spectre lvl boots, +3 minion level helmet. Getting your spectres to high level is a lot more important than just stacking damage, here are example of those items:


I also can't seem to find a ring on your setup with frostbite on hit, this is pretty nice to have as your armageddon brand is constantly splashing all the mobs around with that curse, and it's pretty useful since it adds about 20-30% more DPS to your minions.

For more survivability, I would suggest removing all surging vitality small clusters and replacing them with "inc max life 7% + minion dmg" cobalt jewels, which will save you 6 points, then allocating 5 of them towards Sanctuary node for more block chance.

Also, not sure if it just wasn't displayed correctly but your awakened melee phys gem is level 1 and no quality. Quality is important as it makes them have 10% chance to intimidate on hit, so more DPS.

Hope this helps, good luck!

I'm going to finish up this league by running the minion army build in SSF to see how far I can get. Wish me luck!

Also, great guide, you put a lot of work into this and I appreciate it!