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Can some explain the benefits of FAS over artless assassin?
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Vaildez wrote:
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New spectres scale dps with threshold levels, and the spectre level 84 threshold is KEY, level 83 is about 1/3 the damage of level 84.


Would love to see some evidence behind this... I am not sure this is believable.


Doesn't sound real to me, either.
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Vaildez wrote:
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New spectres scale dps with threshold levels, and the spectre level 84 threshold is KEY, level 83 is about 1/3 the damage of level 84.


Would love to see some evidence behind this... I am not sure this is believable.


I heard this too but only for Redemption Sentry and Redemption Knight (maybe all physical specters).

As you can check here:
https://poedb.tw/us/Redemption_Sentry#Lvl84
or here
https://poedb.tw/us/Redemption_Knight#Lvl84

The attacks deal “xxx% of Damage” which is 101% from 68-82 and jumps to 300% for level 84.

The same can not be observed for casters like
https://poedb.tw/us/Solar_Guard#Lvl84
or
https://poedb.tw/us/Frost_Auto-Scout#Lvl84
where it is more like 5-10% per level on plain damage numbers.



Last edited by Erzengel82#4776 on Jan 14, 2021, 2:43:35 PM
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Vaildez wrote:
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New spectres scale dps with threshold levels, and the spectre level 84 threshold is KEY, level 83 is about 1/3 the damage of level 84.


Would love to see some evidence behind this... I am not sure this is believable.


https://poedb.tw/us/Frost_Auto-Scout#Lvl84

Here is an example, look at the damage at level 84 and it says: Deals 2630 to 3945 Cold Damage

Then look at level 78, which is where most builds will top off at unless you get some extreme items, it's: Deals 1923 to 2885 Cold Damage

That's a flat near 25% less damage before taking into consideration monster levels vs specter levels. Which is math beyond what I feel like digging up.

With the Slave Driver nerf are we still running SD?
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maldread88 wrote:
With the Slave Driver nerf are we still running SD?


For act 1-10 it will be still fine, because act 1-10 with necro is a piece of cake anyway. But for mapping you should swap to lets say FAS. FAS will have good map clear speed and will be tanky enough for mapping.
Last edited by odds#2938 on Jan 14, 2021, 2:33:53 PM
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amkronos wrote:
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Vaildez wrote:
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New spectres scale dps with threshold levels, and the spectre level 84 threshold is KEY, level 83 is about 1/3 the damage of level 84.


Would love to see some evidence behind this... I am not sure this is believable.


https://poedb.tw/us/Frost_Auto-Scout#Lvl84

Here is an example, look at the damage at level 84 and it says: Deals 2630 to 3945 Cold Damage

Then look at level 78, which is where most builds will top off at unless you get some extreme items, it's: Deals 1923 to 2885 Cold Damage

That's a flat near 25% less damage before taking into consideration monster levels vs specter levels. Which is math beyond what I feel like digging up.



Most will be stuck at 78 it seems... 82 would require a corrupted empower, 10EX Wand, +1 Int Gem Neck, Unnatural Strength, +1 Spectre Boots.
I think powerful, spectre only builds are dead. Ghazzy, the legend, is using skeleton mages to clear, and melee spectres to help boss, such as primal crushclaw. I wonder personally how zombies, mages, and support spectres would do. I suspect the ape hp is too low at endgame.
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amkronos wrote:
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Vaildez wrote:
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New spectres scale dps with threshold levels, and the spectre level 84 threshold is KEY, level 83 is about 1/3 the damage of level 84.


Would love to see some evidence behind this... I am not sure this is believable.


https://poedb.tw/us/Frost_Auto-Scout#Lvl84

Here is an example, look at the damage at level 84 and it says: Deals 2630 to 3945 Cold Damage

Then look at level 78, which is where most builds will top off at unless you get some extreme items, it's: Deals 1923 to 2885 Cold Damage

That's a flat near 25% less damage before taking into consideration monster levels vs specter levels. Which is math beyond what I feel like digging up.



you said it in a way that made it sound like level 83 does 33% as much damage as level 84 but now you say 78 does 75% as much which would mean even if we took the previous statement the opposite way as meaning 83 does 66% the damage of 84, 78 is now doing more damage than 83.

Spectres still seem fine.
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you said it in a way that made it sound like level 83 does 33% as much damage as level 84 but now you say 78 does 75% as much which would mean even if we took the previous statement the opposite way as meaning 83 does 66% the damage of 84, 78 is now doing more damage than 83.

Spectres still seem fine.


Yep... This threshold thing is something I wasn't aware of and I am hoping someone else will do the math on if it's worth the empower gem to get Spectres to 82 =). I don't think Spectres are going to have any troubles with mapping but I think supplementing the build with Skeletons might be the way to go for bosses.
Last edited by Vaildez#6753 on Jan 14, 2021, 2:43:10 PM

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