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gugaokra wrote:

Should I use southbound gloves on my AG even if I'm using slave drivers as spectres?

Thanks in advance!

Usually I just put southbound for extra hp. It doesn't matter about the effect. Another option is crafted gloves with chaos res!

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Fencatffxi wrote:

Any suggestions on a decent spectre to use for the Spider build until I catch up to my atlas and can get any of the conquerer ones? (only lvl73 atm and got them spawned in red maps on other char)

Have been trying out slave drivers but they keep dying, I need something tankier :D

Oh. If you have veritania on your other character, just get raise spectre gem and use it to get the spectre. Then go back to your HO. The spectre will be added to your desecrate table and your new necro can raise it!

I have a guide about saving spectres in spectre bank! I think it will be useful to you too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHsqje62cMM

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Zeratul_PL wrote:

In Ghazy PoB, AVP gives 36,2mln per spectre, while AEF gives 40,7mln.
Still, those numbers are insane, same as his gear, so after putting his helmet on my character, i receive AVP 9,2 mln per spectre, and with AEF 9,5 mln - so it's not that big, to resign from chilling/freezing enemeis.

Summary:
Awaken Elemental Focuse provides more DPS than A. Vicious Projectiles, but at the cost of elemental ailments. The DPS difference isn't that high, to resign from Ailments, therefor i suggeest AVP over AEF for those with uber minion helmets.

He has 4 cluster sets so his hatred gives a huge effect. I guess the final damage is like 99% cold/1% phys. That's why EF scales better than VP.

But for most people VP will be better because they are running 1 or 2 cluster sets. Damage will be close, but freeze is important to survive. Big DPS build don't care about freeze because it will one shot monsters instead.

The only downside is less attack speed. So if you have enough DPS, try a utility gem like Ele Prolif! If one monster gets freeze, the whole pack will freeze too.

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kayella wrote:

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Fencatffxi wrote:

Any suggestions on a decent spectre to use for the Spider build until I catch up to my atlas and can get any of the conquerer ones? (only lvl73 atm and got them spawned in red maps on other char)

Have been trying out slave drivers but they keep dying, I need something tankier :D

Oh. If you have veritania on your other character, just get raise spectre gem and use it to get the spectre. Then go back to your HO. The spectre will be added to your desecrate table and your new necro can raise it!

I have a guide about saving spectres in spectre bank! I think it will be useful to you too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHsqje62cMM

I got high enough level to get some redemption knights by now but didnt think of getting them with my other char tbh *duh*, got to remember that if I do it again lol

Will make sure to save them, thats a very handy video thank you very much!

Follow up question, once I get a arena master, is there any way to see my complete team with its buffs in PoB? Or would I have to edit a random item with its buffs?

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TKMaxx715 wrote:

Interesting! Other than tankiness, do you feel like S&S has an advantage over Pure Spectres?

I am finally getting to the point where i am comfortable with tankiness using Pure Spectre and feel like clear speed and bosses have more potential with PS build.

Would you say:
PS: Better bossing + endgame clear speed
S&S: Better tankiness + Interesting mechanics
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You will like you can't die with S&S. I could take direct hit from kosis and kosis explosion and didn't die. I don't think PS build can do that.

I think it's smoother for mapping because of the tankiness and sustain. Spiders are super aggressive as well. If you use melee spectres, they stay close to you so they are like a meatshield too.

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Marbleshade wrote:

I don't have the Thaumaturges to test, but I found a trick a long time ago that might be useful for them to keep them from prematurely casting bombs. If you weapon swap, your minions will not do anything for a few moments. If you spam weapon swap, they will stand in place and not do anything until you stop (I figured this out trying to keep my Slave Drivers from dying in Sirus storms before they fixed that). So on bosses like Minotaur you should be able to just spam weapon swap while you run up to him until he goes underground and then stop. When he pops out, the Thaumaturges should start the bomb cast. Dunno how useful this is since it's extremely situational.

I remember this! Does it still work? I thought GGG patched this.

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Zeratul_PL wrote:

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trancenergy11 wrote:

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Zeratul_PL wrote:

Heya, what are the perks to using hubris instead of bone helmet?

Hubris gives more ES, and is much cheaper than Bone Helmet. While Bone Helmet increased dmg of minions as an implicit.

Cheaper if you are comparing both of them having 40% enchants. Hubris with 40% enchant is more damage than any bone helm without 40%.

Gosh, the question was inbetwen Hubris and Bone. It's obvious that any helmet WITH enchant is more expensive than without -.-' And will provide more dps...

But you cannont compare one with enchant, and 2nd without enchant, as this is not fair comparison...

Hey mate maybe u should check prices and your info before making defining statements. And enchanted hubris completed into a 30% ele helm can cost nearly the same as unenchanted bone helm while providing MORE dps. That's why im comparing non-enchanted vs enchanted.
So if you comparing quality+price you get more dmg for the same price which doesnt make hubris cheaper, it makes it better.
And nonone will make a non-enchanted hubris into a minion helm so what is what exactly ARE u comparing than?
And even if you are comparing an i86 shaper hubris vs bone the difference is marginal in around 50c?

Made some improvements to my wand. I'm very proud of it since it was 100% crafted by me from a 1alch base.

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trancenergy11 wrote:

Hey mate maybe u should check prices and your info before making defining statements. And enchanted hubris completed into a 30% ele helm can cost nearly the same as unenchanted bone helm while providing MORE dps. That's why im comparing non-enchanted vs enchanted.
So if you comparing quality+price you get more dmg for the same price which doesnt make hubris cheaper, it makes it better.
And nonone will make a non-enchanted hubris into a minion helm so what is what exactly ARE u comparing than?
And even if you are comparing an i86 shaper hubris vs bone the difference is marginal in around 50c?

Question was "what are the perks in using hubris instead of bone helmet". So i replied about those 2 base types. There are TONS of crafted hubris w/o enchants, but whatever. Prices?
Shaped ilvl86+ Hubris = +/- 40-50c (elder 30-40c)
Shaped ilvl86+ Bone Helmet +/- 150c (elder 275c)
3 times the price, 20% more dmg, almost none ES for Bone.

With the enchant:
Hubris for 20ex (eldered, there is no shaped currently)
Bone 40 ex.

Let's see how it goes:
Shaped bone helmet w/o enchat cost same as enchanted Hubris, right? Seems like YOU DIDN'T CHECK PRICES.
Enchants gives hubris 20% more dmg than bone, but you need to pay 20times more for it.

Also, in case of such high budget items, i rpefer to test it on high end builds - Ghazy has hubris with enchat, that gives him 39mln per spectre. Without the ench, he losses only 2mln, so about 5% of his total dps. Ofc, for min-max, enchat is needed, but not many of us are able to reach that level :) and it's better to get minion helmet without enchat, than to not get minion helmet at all :)

So what chest/gems are people running with the 6 link Helm? I was curious if people drop the Spectre for Aura chest or go for more links with AG and Zombies.