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ShmooDude wrote:
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kayella wrote:
Vicious Bite, Precise Commander have been changed (new value not given)


Vicious Bite is 50/20 (from 50/50)
Precise Commander is 30/12 (from 50/15)

EDIT: In my particular case with 3x VB and 3x Precise Commander
-33% of spectre damage (2.45m -> 1.66m) and
-15% spider damage (354k -> 301k)


Yeah I just saw it when looking carefull at tree.

Also new Vicious Bite multi says 'minions'. Before it was only spectre, zombie, skele

I have 2 VB and 4 Precise/Vengeful

Pure Spectre build RS: 5.5M -> 4.6M


S&S build RS: 882k -> 685k
S&S build Spider: 137k -> 141k

I have my S&S for speed mapping (minion speed and ele prolif).
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kayella wrote:
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ShmooDude wrote:
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kayella wrote:
Vicious Bite, Precise Commander have been changed (new value not given)


Vicious Bite is 50/20 (from 50/50)
Precise Commander is 30/12 (from 50/15)

EDIT: In my particular case with 3x VB and 3x Precise Commander
-33% of spectre damage (2.45m -> 1.66m) and
-15% spider damage (354k -> 301k)


Yeah I just saw it when looking carefull at tree.

Also new Vicious Bite multi says 'minions'. Before it was only spectre, zombie, skele

I have 2 VB and 4 Precise/Vengeful

Pure Spectre build RS: 5.5M -> 4.6M


S&S build RS: 882k -> 685k
S&S build Spider: 137k -> 141k

I have my S&S for speed mapping (minion speed and ele prolif).


Seems like the maximum damage output for spectres is significantly negatively affected.
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kayella wrote:
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ShmooDude wrote:
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kayella wrote:
Vicious Bite, Precise Commander have been changed (new value not given)


Vicious Bite is 50/20 (from 50/50)
Precise Commander is 30/12 (from 50/15)

EDIT: In my particular case with 3x VB and 3x Precise Commander
-33% of spectre damage (2.45m -> 1.66m) and
+15% spider damage (301k -> 354k)


Yeah I just saw it when looking carefull at tree.

Also new Vicious Bite multi says 'minions'. Before it was only spectre, zombie, skele

I have 2 VB and 4 Precise/Vengeful

Pure Spectre build RS: 5.5M -> 4.6M


S&S build RS: 882k -> 685k
S&S build Spider: 137k -> 141k

I have my S&S for speed mapping (minion speed and ele prolif).
I clearly I wasn't paying close enough attention. That's actually a nice change and increases spider damage (I had the numbers backwards, so it's +15%, not minus. edited OP)
Other relevant notables:

Cold-Blooded Killer: Restores 2% life on killing a chilled enemy
Replenishing Presence: You and nearby Allies Regenerate 1.00% of Life per second (from 0.1% per aura).
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JSquare wrote:
Rallying Cry w/ Arakaali's fang might add a fair amount of DPS for the RS/RK spectres that do attacks. Not clear if this will just ask to be RIP'd due to taunt though.

Edit: Are the spiders considered minions? They would benefit as well if so.

I am curious if for example using an Obliteration wand (or other high phys dmg one-hander) would offer a better DPS than a convoking wand for base build (probably not, but is a common item that could be used in SSF until you get a POG convoking wand) O_o Not sure how to modify calcs in PoB to test this. Just some thoughts.


POB thinks spiders are minions. So should be OK!

Rallying Cry might be really good for S&S build. You can bind it to LMB so you are always casting it while you move. Spiders should kill monsters before it can hit you, so taunt is not a problem.


Maybe Obliteration + Rallying Cry gives more DPS for mapping, but already mapping DPS is overkill. But you will lose DPS against bosses.
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kx10yf wrote:
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kayella wrote:

Pure Spectre build RS: 5.5M -> 4.6M


Seems like the maximum damage output for spectres is significantly negatively affected.


Hopefully lots of people will complain about it and spectres don't get any future nerfs ^^

4.6 x 5 = 23M still lots of DPS
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Last edited by kayella#0845 on Jun 16, 2020, 10:49:08 PM
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ShmooDude wrote:
Other relevant notables:

Cold-Blooded Killer: Restores 2% life on killing a chilled enemy
Replenishing Presence: You and nearby Allies Regenerate 1.00% of Life per second (from 0.1% per aura).


Hm. My spider average cold hit is 39k. Hope it is enough for minimum chill effect.

So, I will probably make the S&S build update after patch release because I will need to test it.
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Last edited by kayella#0845 on Jun 16, 2020, 11:07:05 PM
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kayella wrote:
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kx10yf wrote:
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kayella wrote:

Pure Spectre build RS: 5.5M -> 4.6M


Seems like the maximum damage output for spectres is significantly negatively affected.


Hopefully lots of people will complain about it and spectres don't get any future nerfs ^^

4.6 x 5 = 23M still lots of DPS


Still loads of DPS indeed. Complaining about it probably won't be sufficient. As long as a significant number of people still stick to spectre build, GGG will continually "balance" it. Sadly I am one of those people.
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kx10yf wrote:

Still loads of DPS indeed. Complaining about it probably won't be sufficient. As long as a significant number of people still stick to spectre build, GGG will continually "balance" it. Sadly I am one of those people.


I notice that people on reddit always recommend or talk about zombie build or skele. Spectre isn't so popular nowadays. So we are still safe ^^
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Rv15 wrote:
Isn't melee physical damage support a red gem?
I'm following your leveling guide for each act and in act 3 you wrote it as a blue gem.

Is it possible for you to add the gem checklist into the full walk through leveling guide for each act?
For example: 1x BBB I find it difficult to know which gems to slot in this 3 blue link item.


Thanks for feedback. If I put full gem checklist in walkthrough, I think it will make walkthrough a little messy. How about like this? Is it clear?

Old:
link:
summon raging spirits + minion damage + infernal legion
holy flame totem + summon phantasm + minion damage


New:
link:
summon raging spirits + minion damage + infernal legion (BBB)
holy flame totem + summon phantasm + minion damage (BBR)




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