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xfreakomonx wrote:

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maddingtonbear wrote:

I have a problem.

I placed gems as guide said, vaal haste, hatred, summon skitter bots, generosity. I have watchers eye wich provide phasing when i am affected to haste but when we have generosity support added to them, i cant get affected by that.

How we should fix this? Or is that buff for minions or what

Haste doesn't should linked 4 phasing eye, so get a 3link with ur crafting bench

Thank you, problem solved. Any idea what gems would be best for map clearing / overall for 2 R 2 B 2 G sockets, i left power charges off and replaced it with empower atm, after 3000 chromatics i could not afford to get right colours.

Can anyone give me a quick rundown on using a socket service?

I recently purchased a +1 spectre chest because I had a fated connection prophecy drop. Unfortunately, I'm not able to get 3 red sockets easily, so I can't really try redemption knights. Thankfully, I'm still able to use RS.

First time playing a spectre build, leveling was maybe the fastest ever for me with some cheap levelling gear, excellent guide too.

I tried to do Redemption Sentries as cheap as possible with the EB/MoM build. The one thing I'd really like is a +1 spectre 6L chest but almost able to afford it.

Problem I'm having is @ level 80, I'm feeling like the DPS is lacking slightly. I mean it's alright with my cheap gear, but for example, I'm looking at POB and my cluster jewel once I finish it will only give 10% DPS.

Where can I make improvements from here? Seeing 215k DPS for redemption sentries with a 21 (+4) spectre gem in a 6L

https://pastebin.com/9zaxQNYN

I can't believe how fast you are killing Sirius A8 in your Youtube video. I'm running your build ED+MoM with Slave Drivers and keep dying in the last phase to one shots from his triple beam (despite 7k life) because I can't dodge it with those rotating beams. The spectres are hitting him during that time, but it's not even close to him dying. In your video he's dead right after the first roating beams?? (I guess with 3 Awakened gems that might work) *And* you are running right through the rotating beams and still have enough ES left to cast Flame Dash? (yes, I'm using an anti-corrupted blood jewel) I already switched to Blood Magic to be able to dash while taking damage (1.1k ES). Maybe Kitava's Teachings is not really good to have in that situation, since casting Convocation/Flame Dash is not always triggering Desecrate and when you keep moving there is a good chance there won't be any corpses nearby at all? Or should I maybe switch to Scale of Esh?

Really great guide, the first summoners that I am really enjoying after trying zombie builds.
Quick question, I finished all items for Pledge of hands version but now I am mostly focused on blight farming. Should I swap to different version and use Redemption spectres or stay with the Pledge of Hands Drivers version?

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QuantomO wrote:

First time playing a spectre build, leveling was maybe the fastest ever for me with some cheap levelling gear, excellent guide too.

I tried to do Redemption Sentries as cheap as possible with the EB/MoM build. The one thing I'd really like is a +1 spectre 6L chest but almost able to afford it.

Problem I'm having is @ level 80, I'm feeling like the DPS is lacking slightly. I mean it's alright with my cheap gear, but for example, I'm looking at POB and my cluster jewel once I finish it will only give 10% DPS.

Where can I make improvements from here? Seeing 215k DPS for redemption sentries with a 21 (+4) spectre gem in a 6L

https://pastebin.com/9zaxQNYN

I would replace the Power Charge on Critical support gem were I in your situation. It really needs a source of power charges + a dedicated crit build IMO to be worth running - add in deathmark support for it instead for now.

Drop zealotry from your helmet and add in haste (unlinked imo) or Vaal Haste. The additional attack speed helps clear in maps and run speed helps you.

Make those 2 changes and you should see a marked quality of life increase.

For Redemption Sentry, is the curse Frostbite better than Elemental Weakness?

Using PoB actually the best curse is Projectile weakness, gives the most dmg out of other curses and also gives pierce and knock back to the attacks of the Specters helping with clear and defense. If you aren't convinced, the frostbite gives not only dmg but also an increase the time of froze on enemies, that is also a really nice defensive layer to have.

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ShmooDude wrote:

Vicious Bite gives a ton more DPS than Renewal if you assume power charges.

Renewal assuming you have Gravepact
0 -> 1 = 9.5%
1 -> 2 = 8.7% (19.0%)
2 -> 3 = 8.0% (28.6%)
3 -> 4 = 7.4% (38.1%)
4 -> 5 = 6.9% (47.6%)
5 -> 6 = 6.5% (57.1%)

Vicious Bite on the other hand (assuming no Precise Commander or other sources of crit chance/damage)
0 -> 1 = 17.6%
1 -> 2 = 16.9% (37.6%)
2 -> 3 = 16.1% (59.7%)
3 -> 4 = 15.3% (84.1%)
4 -> 5 = 14.5% (110.9%)
5 -> 6 = 13.7% (139.8%)

So...
2 Vicious Bite + 6 Renewal = 216.2%
6 Vicious Bite + 2 Renewal = 285.4% (32% better)

Not really sure why were' comparing 2 and 6. That's a lot of nodes that come at a high opportunity cost (ie you have to spend a lot more nodes in the large jewels) or a high currency cost (high end Voices are more expensive than HH).

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My caculation is based on 2 Large cluster jewel, both with Renewal and Vicious Bite, then we either have 4 rare medium cluster with renewal, or 4 unique medium cluster with Vicious Bite
=> 6 Renewal + 2 Vicious Bite or 2 Renewal + 6 Vicious Bite

Assume Spectre has 5 base crit chance and 130% crit multiplier, 3 power charges (600% crit chance)

Scenario 1: 6 Renewal + 2 Vicious Bite
6 Renewal = 60% chance to deal double damage = 60% more damage
2 Vicious Bite = 100% crit chance + 100% crit multiplier
..........Crit chance: 5*8=40%
..........Crit multiplier: 130+100=230
=> 0.4*2.3+0.6=1.52 more damage

1.52*1.6(from Renewal)=2.432


Scenario 2: 2 Renewal + 6 Vicious Bite
2 Renewal = 20% chance to deal double damage = 20% more damage
6 Vicious Bite = 300% crit chance + 300% crit multiplier
..........Crit chance: 5*10=50%
..........Crit multiplier: 130+300=430
=> 0.5*4.3+0.5=2.65 more damage

2.65*1.2(from Renewal)=3.18

So, 2.432 vs 3.18
=>Crit spectre deal 30% more damage, not so much, you can get this easily with a 7-link helmet

But, just a reminder, its really hard to stack 3 Power charges on boss and get all 6 Vicious Bite nodes, unless you have like 200 exalt and sacrifice alot of survivability. A cheap rare medium cluster will give you 1 small jewel socket, with you can add things like Surging Vitality, but with a 50 exalt Megalomaniac jewel (this is the only way to get Vicious Bite on medium cluster jewel), there is nothing you can add there.
Think about your budget before you caculate the damage :))))

Also, if you use aura medium cluster lkie Kay's suggest, the difference in damage will be even smaller, cause Vengeful Commander + First among equals give 14% more damage, better then Renewal (10% more damage)

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H0X9 wrote:

My caculation is based on 2 Large cluster jewel, both with Renewal and Vicious Bite, then we either have 4 rare medium cluster with renewal, or 4 unique medium cluster with Vicious Bite
=> 6 Renewal + 2 Vicious Bite or 2 Renewal + 6 Vicious Bite

Also, if you use aura medium cluster lkie Kay's suggest

How would this compare to 2x renewal and 4x vegeful+first?

I just copied my clusters to a second outer socket and Hatred now gives 96% phys gained as cold + 67% more cold damage.


If we take 1000 base damage and 75% conversion:

250 phys + 750 cold

Boosted Hatred gain:
1710 cold (750 + 960)

Boosted Hatred more:
2856 (1710 x 1.67)

Total damage:
250 phys + 2856 cold = 3106

Double damage chance:
3106 x 1.3 (2x renewal, grave pact, temple wand)

= 4037

So the overall is 4x more damage.


I'm not sure if my maths is correct, though.