Unofficial Community PvP Balance (eHLD and eLLD)

Hey guys I added a rule!

In HLD the "Block Chance Reduction" support gem can be used as a "free support" allowing for all players to have access to a 5L or pseudo 5L as long as one of those supports is "Block Chance Reduction"

The reason for this rule is to prevent tanks being too dominant with our rule set. Tanks are a great format to PvP but in a game where damage doesn't "stick" no one wants PvP where the clock can run out and absolutely nothing can be done.

Always adjusting to feedback

Just wanted to clarify something: are all HLD events in Perm League and all LLD events in Temp League?

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mimivirus wrote:

Just wanted to clarify something: are all HLD events in Perm League and all LLD events in Temp League?

The events that the community is going to officially "host" yes. The HLD community events will be based on perm league and the LLD events will be based on the appropriate Temp league

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ProjectPT wrote:

Hey guys I added a rule!

In HLD the "Block Chance Reduction" support gem can be used as a "free support" allowing for all players to have access to a 5L or pseudo 5L as long as one of those supports is "Block Chance Reduction"

The reason for this rule is to prevent tanks being too dominant with our rule set. Tanks are a great format to PvP but in a game where damage doesn't "stick" no one wants PvP where the clock can run out and absolutely nothing can be done.

Always adjusting to feedback

I almost suggested this but then considered the downsides. I guess it's still better then trying to cap block and/or limit defenses we can't mitigate and it will help vs dodge.

So the purpose of 4l is to reduced avg. damage.
Why are minions allowed then? mirage archer including.

what is wrong with minions?

They don't go through the pvp dmg formula afaik, and mirage archer has the high ground and can shotgun downwards for easy aoe overlap

Is there a list of reasons for the ban list, both skills and items? If not, can someone post one? I don't necessarily think this belongs in the main post because yeah, simplicity in the rules is good.

Some are obvious but others are not and curious minds want to know.

Accessibility. Overall, we want this to be as accessible as possible to as many people as possible.

Banned Items:
All Unique Flasks ---- Too OP
Poet's Pen ----- Too OP/Broken
All Abyss Jewels ----- Too OP/Broken
Watcher's Eye ----- Too OP/Broken
Reckless Defense ----- Get block capped with close to 0 investment. Paired with the pantheon of not taking extra damage from crit strikes or Brass Dome, they are too powerful.
Idigon ----- Too OP/Broken
Xirgil's Crank ------ Allows builds such as occultist or scorching rays to be virtually unkillable with any skill that doesn't one-shot them.
Aegis Aurora ------ Enables immortal builds that can only be killed by broken skills
All Enchants ------ So much disparity between not having enchants and having the right enchants. For example, because we are unique-only, unique helms with BiS enchants for certain skills could be 30ex+. Elemental builds that would attack would all want 10pen on boots, winter glove enchant can 1shot 8k life with very little investment etc...
Queen of the Forest ------ In CTF, there will be two groups of people. QotF and non-QotF. We originally wanted to ban this only in CTF, but the overall consensus was to not thave 2 seperate ban lists. We wanted to keep things simple and accessible.


Banned Skills:
Blight ----- Too OP/Broken
Explosive Arrow ----- Too OP/Broken
Kinetic Blast ----- Too OP/Broken
Glacial Cascade ----- Too OP/Broken
Volatile Dead ----- Too OP/Broken
Bear Trap ----- Kills the fun in CTF/3v3 - much like qotf, we were going to ban this only in CTF at first but didn't want 2 separate lists. Also, even with 4l/5l and uniques only, and for damage peopel scale the shit out of the 2ndary damage which is unblockable and undodgeable.
Cast When Damage Taken ----- CWDT/CWS allows tanks to do damage without really doing anything at all. It also allows any build to utilize auto-movement skills that promote a sort of "brain-dead" sort of playstyle which we want to avoid. We were okay with using them for cwdt-cursing etc... but felt it would be best to paint with broad strokes and ban them entirely.
Cast When Stunned ----- " "

I don't think e HLD is different than normal HLD. I've seen how it evolved, what the obstacles are and there are no solutions to them.

If you force 4l, broken skills start being rampant. (which are total around 30 -according to markusz- even though lots of them have being banned.) they become the only way of ensuring win. Everybody is naturally want to play those top 5 builds, the rest are doomed to fail. It completely destroys build diversity.

if you ban all the broken skills and force 4l, it becomes a poor man's street fighter 4.

if you let 5L with broken skills, one shots/2 shots start happening. People start complaining, measuring each others "ethicalness" (which i had last night, and kindly asked to leave their game) it moves towards non ethicael pvp HLD experience.

if you let 5-6l while banning all the broken stuff. It seems more hopeful than others but than pathfinder starts being too strong or other tank - regen - healing affects start being OP and what people are going to chase after. true ethical skills even with 5l can't deal much damage.

So, i see no hope in this guys personally. The only difference is rounds take 10 seconds more than broken pvp. of course seeing people start & behaving like in non- E-HLD helped me have this decision too.

Have fun everyone.