Unofficial Community PvP Balance (eHLD and eLLD)

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4. Ball Lightning...?

Ball Lightning Trap made many stuff got banned. Even sire of shards worked with only
ball lightning atm. It still can eat every melee as lunch and beat most ranged build.
I defeated ethical's roa with ball lightning(Although before he minmaxed).
Sire was wrong ban. If you guys needed to ban sth, that should be ball lightning.

agree.


unbanning qotf is my next suggestion

I'm actually fine unbanning QotF because we weren't able to organize and place some 3v3s in the event. So i agree with those changes and will adjust the banlist after this saturday. But other good suggestions by then would be great

Wasn't Queen only ever banned because of CTF? I vaguely remember something like that. Yet we've barely even played CTF after the first couple of weeks.

I think Queen should remain banned for CTF strictly because stacking movement speed as a runner is silly. I don't see much of a reason it needs to remain banned for regular fights though.

Regarding what Bondisk said about shields; I think both should be banned. Aegis is banned because it makes max block too strong of a defense due to its recovery mechanic, and I'd argue that Surrender is better than a non legacy Aegis anyway. I wish we could keep Temu just for the reflect, but I also think it's too strong. Fast hitting and multi hitting builds simply cannot beat dedicated recovery tanks one on one.

Can't say much regarding Sire, but if Bon think it should be banned, and ball lightning should be banned in it's place, I won't complain.

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aliac123 wrote:

Suggestions.

1. Limit frostwall abuse.

Every projectiles that blocked by frostwall are dumbs now. It's easy to sustain
over 15walls and some builds that have duration over 20walls. Nobody can not pierce walls now.

It s not ok to poop 4-6 or even 10+ with traps offscreen proj and frostwall counter that.
It should be limited but in a way it can still counter offscreeners.

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Head_Less wrote:

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aliac123 wrote:

Suggestions.

1. Limit frostwall abuse.

Every projectiles that blocked by frostwall are dumbs now. It's easy to sustain
over 15walls and some builds that have duration over 20walls. Nobody can not pierce walls now.

If projectiles players had in exchange a maximum of 3 proj allowed why not, but I don t agree with you on frostwall ban if there is no limit to projectiles.

It s not ok to poop 4-6 or even 10+ with traps offscreen proj and frostwall counter that.

Am i said ban? No.
Problem is frost wall perma block all projetile with echo and cascade.
We can adjust it. So sometimes wall block projectiles and sometiles not.(In cooldown)

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aliac123 wrote:

Am i said ban? No.
Problem is frost wall perma block all projetile with echo and cascade.
We can adjust it. So sometimes wall block projectiles and sometiles not.(In cooldown)

And do u really think projectile with traps can kill in 1v1 or 3v3 maps on offscreen range?
even sire of shards banned?

I edited my post. I think it s ok for it to get limited in wall amount as long as it can still
counter projectiles with investments or tactical use.

Ban echo or cascade is good solution.

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Head_Less wrote:

I edited my post. I think it s ok for it to get limited in wall amount as long as it can still
counter projectiles with investments or tactical use.

Ban echo or cascade is good solution.

I think so. We should do some math about duration/cooldown/numbers of frost wall and how many pierce we can stack.

HLD Thousand Teeth Temu BANNED
HLD The Surrender BANNED
Sire of Shards UNBANNED
Atziri's Reflection BANNED
Queen of the Forest UNBANNED
Ball Lightning BANNED

Frost Wall CANNOT be linked with Spell Cascade support

LLD cremation BANNED

haha... Atziris reflection?

HLD the Surrender UNBANNED
HLD Mirage Archer BANNED
LLD Molten Shell BANNED

LLD Flame Blast BANNED
LLD Abberath's Hooves BANNED