[3.9] Pure Phys Skeletons & Friends Necromancer — Beginner/SSF/Budget Build
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Question for you wizards on running both MoM and Doryani's. When I use Ghazzy's MoM calc, it shows i have the same effective HP with or without the bonus ES from Doryani. Does this mean that with this much ES, i am no longer getting any added benefit from MoM?
with Doryani:
without doryani:
as you can see, effective hp is the same. just want to be sure i'm reading this right.
It is, but if you look closer you will notice that the excess mana for MoM to be effective is much higher on Doryani's. So this allows you to either
-Drop Mana nodes
-Drop mana on gear and go for life, energy shield, resistances (more chaos res), and other stuff.
Last edited by idkwat#6167 on Jan 15, 2020, 8:20:01 PM
How important is the armor/life regen on Warrior's Blood nod and the smaller nods we are taking? I was thinking go for Devotion and the small life nods instead for more life, thoughts?
There was a guy who suggested Intuitive Leap Jewel I actually like that idea, free up 5 points. Has anyone tried it yet?
For spectre has anyone tried Diabolist? Because we are now teching out Enfeeble gem
Question for you wizards on running both MoM and Doryani's. When I use Ghazzy's MoM calc, it shows i have the same effective HP with or without the bonus ES from Doryani. Does this mean that with this much ES, i am no longer getting any added benefit from MoM?
with Doryani:
without doryani:
as you can see, effective hp is the same. just want to be sure i'm reading this right.
It is, but if you look closer you will notice that the excess mana for MoM to be effective is much higher on Doryani's. So this allows you to either
-Drop Mana nodes
-Drop mana on gear and go for life, energy shield, resistances (more chaos res), and other stuff.
great points damn. so i futzed around with it and got to this:
by changing out to a unset ring to run pride, which then raised my skelly dps quite a bit as well:
so i'm gonna go try to shred with this for awhile!
Question for you wizards on running both MoM and Doryani's. When I use Ghazzy's MoM calc, it shows i have the same effective HP with or without the bonus ES from Doryani. Does this mean that with this much ES, i am no longer getting any added benefit from MoM?
with Doryani:
without doryani:
as you can see, effective hp is the same. just want to be sure i'm reading this right.
Isn't that calculator for EB aka eldrich battery? We are not using that.
Done everything in the game now (not HoGM though...) and looking to fine tune the build a bit. I would like to use the Doryani gem but I wasn't playing during that league. What is the Doryani gem I need to buy and where does it get socketed?
Isn't that calculator for EB aka eldrich battery? We are not using that.
No, it's for MoM but it does take Eldritch Battery in for calculation:
IF you see here, the ES stands of Energy Shield and EB stands of Eldritch Battery, so for calculating MoM it will take either into calculation.
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Also after a few days of trying Doryani, I don't feel confident that i'ts actually an upgrade to survibability, it feels like MoM is less effective due to 50% of the damage going thru the shield first, even though I can get a lot more shield, how effective is it actually when 50% goes through it? I'm going to pure MoM for a few days and see if I feel less squishy than before, after all it's only 4 nodes and I can get Deep Thoughts and Righteous Decree quite easily with those 4 points
Last edited by idkwat#6167 on Jan 16, 2020, 1:27:31 AM
I had two goals. Add minervals to my build and use 2 curses and address spirit offering/flesh offering canceling each other out. If you want to keep spirit offering Obviously you don’t spec into commander of darkness and should consider what to do with flesh offering and your total gem slots. In a 2 wand setup this is prob the way to go either way. Ultimately I think the biggest things are getting pride in the essence ring along with the 2 curses including minervals is a huge boost to this build.
I get that. But they are not totally cancelling each other out if you keep spirit offering in the CWDT and flesh in the wand with "Trigger a socketed spell". I'm doing that right now and it feels pretty great. What happens is, I map along with flesh offering up all the time. Then suddenly I get a big hit, and spirit procs. Fine. And Flesh cancels. Okay. The important thing is not dying. I then cast more skeletons thereby activating flesh again and cancelling spirit whereby I get my normal doryani spirit shield without buff. But thats okay. Because the spirit offering took care of the immediate big hit.
I realise you can do this manually, but automating the proces without needing to cast flesh offering is nice. It doesn't feel like I need to juggle between the two. I just play and get the best of both offerings. That's how I see it.
Yeah the surviving with Spirit offering is obviously the big part. The Chaos damage boost goes to waste when you have flesh offering up though. So the real question is what is more important the survivability or dropping it and switching to commander of darkness plus the added slots. I don't know the answer yet and that's why I'm testing out my the one side of it. Clearly the DPS is insane but I need to get to higher content to test survivability.
I look forward to hearing your experience!
I am running brutality instead of ruthless since Spirit offering only procs and is active for big hits.
What I get from it is:
Ruins hellion - relies of lots on lots of mobs for buff to activate, so bad when there is only a single boss
Diabolist - casts curse a lot but targeting is unreliable
Carnage & host - good for bosses
Last edited by varmemester#3475 on Jan 16, 2020, 4:48:30 AM
