[3.2] AVP - Abyssal Volatile Poet || Now with MF option

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magicrectangle wrote:

With faster attacks in link what's your APS? You might be clipping your cooldowns and actually hurting your damage output by attacking too fast.

3.72 aps currently with 3 frenzy charges up and onslaught. I haven't noticed any lack of damage, though I suspect that may change soon with gem levels. I'll keep an eye on it. :)

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Moridin79 wrote:

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magicrectangle wrote:

With faster attacks in link what's your APS? You might be clipping your cooldowns and actually hurting your damage output by attacking too fast.

3.72 aps currently with 3 frenzy charges up and onslaught. I haven't noticed any lack of damage, though I suspect that may change soon with gem levels. I'll keep an eye on it. :)

It isn't until you near 4 APS that you start to see cooldown clipping and lose damage. But are you counting the pious path attack speed?

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magicrectangle wrote:

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Moridin79 wrote:

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magicrectangle wrote:

With faster attacks in link what's your APS? You might be clipping your cooldowns and actually hurting your damage output by attacking too fast.

3.72 aps currently with 3 frenzy charges up and onslaught. I haven't noticed any lack of damage, though I suspect that may change soon with gem levels. I'll keep an eye on it. :)

It isn't until you near 4 APS that you start to see cooldown clipping and lose damage. But are you counting the pious path attack speed?

Actually, I'm not going the pious path route.

Well in that case are you counting the instruments of virtue attack speed?

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magicrectangle wrote:

Well in that case are you counting the instruments of virtue attack speed?

I just rechecked everything in pob and I am indeed over 4aps. 4.37 fully buffed actually. Need to take out faster attacks for culling I suppose.

I'm still crushing everything while leveling. Am I really missing out on a lot of damage?

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Moridin79 wrote:

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magicrectangle wrote:

Well in that case are you counting the instruments of virtue attack speed?

I just rechecked everything in pob and I am indeed over 4aps. 4.37 fully buffed actually. Need to take out faster attacks for culling I suppose.

I'm still crushing everything while leveling. Am I really missing out on a lot of damage?

Potentially, yes.

Poet's pen has a 250ms internal cooldown, so if you attack more than once every 250ms, you can have attacks that simply don't trigger it. For example, suppose you attack every 200ms (5 APS):

First swing triggers, 0 ms
Second swing does not trigger, 200 ms
Third swing triggers, 400 ms
Fourth swing does not trigger, 600 ms

etc. So your damage just drops almost in half by exceeding 4.0 APS.

There's a little more complexity to it than that, and there's also some bug/latency issue when you're very close to 4 APS, so it is better to keep it in the ~3.8 APS area.

You can also mitigate the clipping by going FAR over 4aps. If you can get close to 8 APS (7.8 aps, say), then you won't be clipping cooldowns, but you'll have that nicer, more responsive feel. Achieving this much attack speed as an inquisitor is unlikely though.

I see. Thanks for the detailed response.

First of all I'd like to thank "magicrectangle" for the answers provided.
I'm also updating the initial guide, added few paragraphs (Guardians & Shaper, Similar Guide) and videos (full run of the guardians and a HoGM run).
I bought a new helm (with 2 abyssal sockets) and I'm slowly improving some jewels that were a bit outdated.
I also keep adjusting parts of the guide that were not clear enough, with errors, or that needed more informations, and adding FAQs.

What do you think about picking Assassin ascendant instead? That would free up at least one pcoc from your links. Wish I run into this thread earlier. I was running similar frenzy COC cremation build. Initially, I was following the other guy build with curse on hit setup instead. I didn’t found it useful as frenzy has a very small hit point. So I go with blasphemy instead. One more question. I’m currently linking frenzy and cremation with life leech for more survivability. Do you think it’s better to swap to GMP instead?

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Neogeo75 wrote:

What do you think about picking Assassin ascendant instead? That would free up at least one pcoc from your links. Wish I run into this thread earlier. I was running similar frenzy COC cremation build. Initially, I was following the other guy build with curse on hit setup instead. I didn’t found it useful as frenzy has a very small hit point. So I go with blasphemy instead. One more question. I’m currently linking frenzy and cremation with life leech for more survivability. Do you think it’s better to swap to GMP instead?

I honestly do not see any reason to pick Assassin, moreover 'cause having those PCoC doesn't really hurt us in any way. Assassin is fine if your only goal is to clear maps, but as soon as you start dealing with real bosses the damage start to fall off pretty hard. Moreover it does offer just damage, no QoL or secondary stuff.
An interesting choice could be an Ascendant with Assassin+something else, I personally trie Assassin+Slayer and Assassin+Inquisitor. Both felt ok, but nowhere near as powerful as the full Inquisitor version. All these versions can achieve a much higher effective crit chance, but being unable to ignore resistances is just a massive drawback. Sadly, at this moment, if you want to play any elemental crit-based skill the best choice is always Inquisitor, you can play other stuff but they are all suboptimal.

I honestly really like having GMP in that setup, it's a smoother playstyle and allows a more reliable CoC. But I also have multiple other sources of leech (Atziri's Promise, fire leech from amulet, Warlord's Mark on hit), if you haven't any other source of leech, that might be a good solution.