ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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The_Impeacher wrote:
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pneuma wrote:
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The_Impeacher wrote:
Because Trump interfered with the investigation

But he didn't, and this is according to Mueller himself. That's what everyone except for you is able to acknowledge.


Look at the graphic and read the report. Your laziness (a maga-cultist trait) is wearisome.

How many times are you going to accuse me of not reading the report? It's such a lame argument, and completely untrue since I have read it.

Maybe if you say it a few dozen more times it'll retroactively become true, just like the rest of your fiction. :D
Why read the report when you can have a "helpfull graphic" formulate your thought for you pneuma?

What a joykill.

I laughed at the "firing somebody is proof of obstruction" claim, cheers impeacher always good for a laugh.

Peace,

-Boem-
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes
It's very quickly approaching "show me on the doll where it obstructed you".

All it takes is one statement from Mueller saying "I needed X to complete my investigation and it was denied." If it's just oh-so-obvious, where's this one statement?

There's 400 pages of a report with not one line being that statement.
There's a few memos Mueller himself wrote without that statement.

The best the anti-Trumpers can get is "well he thought about obstructing, and asked some people if he could obstruct, but it never actually happened".

Nobody cares.
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DarthSki44 wrote:
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The_Impeacher wrote:
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pneuma wrote:

I'll state it again.

Then why did he investigate Trump?


Because Trump interfered with the investigation, and allowed and encouraged the continued contacts of Russian nationals with members of his campaign and other associates.

I need to correct you here too. It wasn't Trump specifically that was being investigated, it was his campaign. Big difference.


That is ridiculous. He didnt investigate Trump for obstruction. That was a suggested result. (and a shaky claim at best that will go nowhere)

He was mandated to investigate possible collusion with Russians and the Trump campaign. THERE WAS NONE.

The investigation is over. Mueller is gone. Dems can cry and hold each other, but removal from office is a pipe dream not founded in reality.


You good folks are living in the Trump lie bubble instead of reality.

The special prosecutor was appointed specifically because of the concern of obstruction of justice by President Trump after the firing of James Comey. The Russian interference was already being investigated and did not require the OLC to be appointed to continue. The desire was to better insulate the investigation from potential further interference in the investigation.

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Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani said Friday that the special counsel’s appointment was triggered by the firing of FBI Director James Comey.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/18/giuliani-special-counsel-appointed-because-trump-fired-comey.html

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Turtledove wrote:


You good folks are living in the Trump lie bubble instead of reality.

The special prosecutor was appointed specifically because of the concern of obstruction of justice by President Trump after the firing of James Comey. The Russian interference was already being investigated and did not require the OLC to be appointed to continue. The desire was to better insulate the investigation from potential further interference in the investigation.

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Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani said Friday that the special counsel’s appointment was triggered by the firing of FBI Director James Comey.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/18/giuliani-special-counsel-appointed-because-trump-fired-comey.html



False - Mueller charter link

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.html
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
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DarthSki44 wrote:
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Turtledove wrote:


You good folks are living in the Trump lie bubble instead of reality.

The special prosecutor was appointed specifically because of the concern of obstruction of justice by President Trump after the firing of James Comey. The Russian interference was already being investigated and did not require the OLC to be appointed to continue. The desire was to better insulate the investigation from potential further interference in the investigation.

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Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani said Friday that the special counsel’s appointment was triggered by the firing of FBI Director James Comey.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/18/giuliani-special-counsel-appointed-because-trump-fired-comey.html



False - Mueller charter link

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.html


The letter does not explain why it was written. You should be able to believe Rudy Giuliani.

edit: 600.4 means what you may ask?

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600.4 Jurisdiction.
(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.
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Last edited by Turtledove#4014 on May 30, 2019, 9:27:44 PM
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The_Impeacher wrote:


Rosenstein was instructed by McGahn & Trump to write the letter. See page 279 of the report
(This is regarding coming up with reasoning to fire Comey)

Trump is a mobster essentially. And he actually is a former (perhaps current) money launderer


Wrong letter, that was the letter establishing Mueller.
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pneuma wrote:
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The_Impeacher wrote:
I'll state it again.

Mueller was UNABLE to make a prosecutorial judgement for Obstruction because the OLC policy forbids it.
I'll state it again.

Then why did he investigate Trump?

I'm saying your argument is crap.

Here's the reality: Barr: Mueller could have decided on Obstruction.
He could have, and he didn't, and him riling up people about OLC is pure theater.
Consider this: the OLC policy regarding inability to indict a sitting President has been in place since 1979. Yet Ken Starr, OSC head when Clinton was President, had no problem directly accusing the sitting President at the time of crimes, and explicitly recommended impeachment. So if Starr did it without so much of a peep from Democrats about him breaking OLC policy (and Starr didn't break it, because he didn't recommend indictment), why did Mueller act as if his hands were tied?

Answer: Mueller's playing games with the process.
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pneuma wrote:
The best the anti-Trumpers can get is "well he thought about obstructing, and asked some people if he could obstruct, but it never actually happened".

Nobody cares.
The problem with that, pneuma, is that per 18 USC §1505, directing someone to obstruct is obstruction, regardless of whether that direction is followed. (There is still a burden to demonstrate the investigation was impeded, but the impediment can take any form, to include very indirect means of impediment.)

This is why I've been arguing that §1505 is a bad law. In practice, all you need is an investigator to testify the investigation was harmed, and the "how" can be pretty much anything. Trump's words would be enough to indict a normal, non-Presidential person on multiple counts.
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The_Impeacher wrote:
Rosenstein was instructed by McGahn & Trump to write the letter. See page 279 of the report
While this is in accordance with Mueller's report, this is irrelevant. Rosenstein's memo includes quotes from many previous AGs and Deputy AGs, including many Democrats. There is abundant, non-corrupt and bipartisan rationale for the firing of James Comey — indeed, a majority of living former AGs at least partially agree with the decision.
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Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on May 30, 2019, 10:13:09 PM
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The_Impeacher wrote:
The bottom line is Trump fired Comey because he thought he could kill 2 birds with one stone:

1) He thought he'd become a hero of Dems because Comey re-opened the Clinton case which helped Trump win.

2) He thought it would end the investigation into his encouraged foreign campaign assist by the Russian government.

Trump was wrong on both counts, because he's a moron.

Corrupt intent


1. Comey is disgraced and hated by both parties.
2. For the millionth time THERE IS NO RUSSIAN COLLUSION
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
- Abraham Lincoln
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The_Impeacher wrote:
Why does Trump attack Americans who Putin hates?
Honk, honk.

No he attacks the DNC and media who are against democracy in all shapes and form. Doesn't help that every since 2016 they've gone after his family, friends and co workers because they had the gall to beat them in an free and fair election. It's the DNC and their media allies that attack Americans. Brett kavanaugh and the Covington kids are just a couple of the victims of how far the DNC and their media toadies are willing to go in their crusade against democracy, freedom and conservatives.

There's no Russian collusion Muller has proved that, time to accept reality.

Honk, honk.
Last edited by AldarisGrave#7629 on May 31, 2019, 7:33:51 AM

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