ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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pneuma wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

the corporatist media propaganda addicts can't seem to even process the concept of difference of opinion.

It is fascinating watching the left become the new orthodoxy. I remember railing against the evangelical Christian right when I was younger when they were the ones "setting the rules of society" and enforcing their bullshit with tut-tutting mommy voices. Why can't I drink on a Sunday, anyway?

For the moment, at least, the Christians are pretty much only around to talk about abortion whereas the left is telling everyone what to think, what to say, and when to say it on every topic from economics to movies to sexual preference, and using censorship and ostracism (and increasingly, violence) as tools to accomplish it.

And there is no forgiveness. In this respect, I actually prefer the religious orthodoxies that believe in the concept of grace. For instance, I don't care that Louis CK whipped his dick out however long ago, especially after he apologized for it. But no, he must be "punished" for his "sin" until "such a time as we decide he has atoned".

I'm sure there are lots of historical examples of secular orthodoxy, but it's new to me and I presume many other Americans.

I dont think it really makes a difference who's in power. I mean did Obama really do that much? He did a HC plan that made you buy private insurance and Democrats are dreaming if they think they will ever get UHC or medicare for all. I mean all those super left super majority states like Illinois, Massachusetts or Minnesota dont have it they damn sure wont do it nationally.

I dont really worry about it at the end of the day even though I vote republican olny because I know how system works. Both parties say a bunch a fringe shit to get elected but can never produce. They take a rake from taxpayers and enrich themselves/friends simple as that and wot upset apple cart too much. Everything else is theater.

I was once a stupid posting, never mind me.

I can't wait to purchase my own copy of Everyone I Don't Like Is Putin's Puppet: The_Impeacher's guide to online political discussion.

When my wife and I disagree about something now, I just tell her that I'm an extremely stable genius and that she should listen to me. It doesn't end well, and she also doesn't listen.

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The_Impeacher wrote:

Only one GOP Congress member isn't fully owned by the Kremlin mafia.

The way that I would characterize it is that Trump is actively using the full power of the White House, the podium of the President, the head of the RNC, and as much of the executive branch as possible to create a bubble of lies for his supporters to exist in. There is now one renegade GOP congressman that has squeezed out from under his thumb and is threatening that bubble.

It will be interesting to see if Amash is squashed or is the start of a movement. My guess is that it is more likely that he will be squashed.

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Turtledove wrote:

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The_Impeacher wrote:

Only one GOP Congress member isn't fully owned by the Kremlin mafia.

The way that I would characterize it is that Trump is actively using the full power of the White House, the podium of the President, the head of the RNC, and as much of the executive branch as possible to create a bubble of lies for his supporters to exist in. There is now one renegade GOP congressman that has squeezed out from under his thumb and is threatening that bubble.

It will be interesting to see if Amash is squashed or is the start of a movement. My guess is that it is more likely that he will be squashed.

You both believe in bullshit conspiracy theories.

Amash will be ignored and left alone until he loses to primary challenger Jim Lower.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

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The_Impeacher wrote:

Only one GOP Congress member isn't fully owned by the Kremlin mafia.

The way that I would characterize it is that Trump is actively using the full power of the White House, the podium of the President, the head of the RNC, and as much of the executive branch as possible to create a bubble of lies for his supporters to exist in. There is now one renegade GOP congressman that has squeezed out from under his thumb and is threatening that bubble.

It will be interesting to see if Amash is squashed or is the start of a movement. My guess is that it is more likely that he will be squashed.

You both believe in bullshit conspiracy theories.

Amash will be ignored and left alone until he loses to primary challenger Jim Lower.

Amash is Right though. Donald Trump is guilty of impeachable conduct. There is no criminal conspiracy between Trump's presidential campaign and Russia but there are questionable conduct of obstruction of justice and campaign finance crimes. The Justice Department has the policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Congress should impeach him but they didn't.

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deathflower wrote:

Amash is Right though. Donald Trump is guilty of impeachable conduct.

See Numbers 13 and 14 in link in my signature. I'm not saying Amash is always wrong, but he is misguided. Trump is not actually guilty of impeachable conduct.

Regarding campaign finance regulations, every campaign has those. The Obama '12 and Clinton '16 campaigns both had multiple infractions, plead guilty, were fined (no jail time), and barely got a peep out of the news media. Trump's done far less and you want to impeach him for what is the political equivalent of a speeding ticket when Dems do it.

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deathflower wrote:

Amash is Right though. Donald Trump is guilty of impeachable conduct. There is no criminal conspiracy between Trump's presidential campaign and Russia but there are questionable conduct of obstruction of justice and campaign finance crimes. The Justice Department has the policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Congress should impeach him but they didn't.

The problem is that the majority of the American people dont favor an actual removal of the President, which is what they think impeachment is. This is the subtle nuance that is missing from the case dems are presenting. Impeachment in the House is a political maneuver, not a legal one. It will die in the Senate, most likely without formal hearings. He wont be removed, and people wont understand the actual point. A political scarlet letter? Really?

Does this make liberals feel better? I have no idea frankly. All I do know is that pushing for impeachment, over iffy obstruction charges, for a crime that has been found never to have happened, seems folly.

Can you obstruct law enforcement or witness tamper during an investigation for a crime that never happened? Sure I suppose, that to me, is a far cry from High Crimes and Misdemeanors. I think it was more of a symptom of Trump thinking the entire investigation was bullshit (which it was for the most part), and trying to end it so he could move on. This was admittedly handled clumsily, but it wasnt criminal intent from my vantage point.

I think Pelosi is right to be cautious. The election in 2020 is going to be extremely close one way or the other. I think she is loathe to go down this impeachment road, but the left is pushing hard. Ironically Impeachment might be the President's best bet for re-election. I dont even see the endgame here from the left. A hollow political victory at the cost of the Presidency? Seems dumb.

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The_Impeacher wrote:

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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deathflower wrote:

Amash is Right though. Donald Trump is guilty of impeachable conduct.

See Numbers 13 and 14 in link in my signature. I'm not saying Amash is always wrong, but he is misguided. Trump is not actually guilty of impeachable conduct.

Regarding campaign finance regulations, every campaign has those. The Obama '12 and Clinton '16 campaigns both had multiple infractions, plead guilty, were fined (no jail time), and barely got a peep out of the news media. Trump's done far less and you want to impeach him for what is the political equivalent of a speeding ticket when Dems do it.

Obstruction of Justice = Impeachable.

Technically anything is Impeachable. As long as you have the House votes this political measure can be taken. I dont think its wise, but the left can do whatever they want. They will have to live with political consequences. It will die in the Senate anyways and essentially accomplish nothing other than virtue signaling.