ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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Raycheetah wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

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Destructodave wrote:

This thread is beautiful. Years of haters just praising Mueller to the high heavens, talking in absolutes, constantly posting how Mueller gonna getcha!

Just nonstop condescending, hateful, mocking tones to anyone who stepped here with a positive thing to say about Trump.

And now, its just beautiful. This entire time the only deluded people are the haters. And they still think they are gonna find a diamond in the rough that Mueller, and his entire team, for 2 years, missed. I mean its the gift that keeps on giving watching these people lose their minds over this stuff.

They are slowly pivoting to his tax returns again, should be really fun. Remember the embarassment Rachel Maddow went through when she reported on his 2005 taxes and it turned out that not only did he pay a bigly amount of money, his tax rate was also almost double of that of Bernie Sanders? Good times. Now Trump will fight this in all the courts, possibly for years, and Democrats will eagerly follow that red herring, while their yellow press will give us daily articles about how the walls are closing in and how Trump's tax returns will surely sink him this time. The conclusion of this circus will be either a) they don't get the tax returns for whatever reason or b) they get them but there's basically nothing damning in them. And yet again they will be the total losers, the internet will drown in salt and I'll be laughing my ass off. Really looking forward to it.

It's not like we haven't been warning 'em that Mueller was serving up a big, fat, double-patty nothingburger with a side of tear-salted fries.

As for Trump's taxes, don't these people realize that the IRS has scrutinized Trump's returns every single year? If there was anything hinky about them, he would already have been called to task. As it is, there is no law (except those being put forward by Leftist state legislatures) requiring any President or candidate for the Presidency to disclose their tax information. To do so without an existing law would be a violation of the 4th Amendment. Really, the only think the Left hopes to do is to force a disclosure of some embarrassing financial data, perhaps supporting the nothingburger theory that Trump isn't as rich as he claims.

Does that even matter? It doesn't to me. He's rich enough to donate his Presidential salary, which makes him a lot better than all the grifters in DC. =^[.]^=

To get Trump's tax returns, Democrats just need to send a letter. The house have subpoena power. They would have Subpoena Mueller report. Might as well do them both while they are at it.

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Xavderion wrote:

Here's the formula for calculating the needed sample size:

A valid sample size depends on two factors - How random your sampling method is, and how much variation you have between samples. The more variation, the more samples you need. The less random, the more samples you need.

You can have a valid survey with 20 results. Conversely, you could have 10 million samples and not have a valid survey. Who you choose to contact and how you choose to contact them can be almost as big a factor as the questions you ask.

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Turtledove wrote:

Remember, you are the one that first posted about this as if it should be obvious that over a dozen different stories written by over a dozen different journalist in over a dozen different papers all came up with similar stories either coincidentally out of thin air or as the title of what you posted implies, they all conspired together to tell the same lie.

Dozens you say? Then surely 45 of them must all be independent -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI


Many of the talking points are scripted (by both sides), and most "journalists" are just saying what they are told to say, and sometimes putting their own flair on the information.

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coatofarms wrote:

Funny. But not too surprised. The President is an idiot.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/donald-trump-wind-power-causes-cancer

From the article Bess Levin of Vanity Fair asserts:

"As virtually everyone on the Internet was quick to point out, out here, on planet Earth, cancer is not caused by noise, wind-induced or otherwise. "

Not so fast Bess -
"The Effects of Low-Frequency Noise on Rats: Evidence of Chromosomal Aberrations in the Bone Marrow Cells and the Release of Low-Molecular-Weight DNA in the Blood Plasma"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5437756/

There is the question of whether the surveys on the noise generated by Wind Turbines are excluding important information
https://acousticstoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/How-Does-Wind-Turbine-Noise-Affect-People.pdf

Conversely, noise can be used to fight cancer:
Low-frequency ultrasound-induced VEGF suppression and synergy with dendritic cell-mediated anti-tumor immunity in murine prostate cancer cells in vitro
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-06242-8

There's a decent article here http://www.icben.org/2017/ICBEN%202017%20Papers/SubjectArea10_Ecoti%C3%A8re_1005_2487.pdf reviewing a lot of the usually neglected factors of wind turbines, which brings up a point frequently mentioned by such studies - That people's perceptions/fears of the wind turbine may be causing some of the health issues.

The increased fear could cause cortisol and other endocrine levels to rise, and those could increase the incidence of cancer. However, the same would be true of someone worried about living in a tornado zone, or fear of a bad neighborhood, or stress caused by consistent bad traffic.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3037818/


There's still a lot to learn about how wind turbines affect people -
the state of Maine has a decent overview of the issue here:

https://www.maine.gov/dhhs/mecdc/environmental-health/documents/wind-turbine-wisconsin-assessment.pdf

*Pops in*

Hey guys, what's going on in here?

*Sees seemingly earnest defense of Trump's wind turbine comments*

Welp, that's enough PoE Off Topic for another year.

I mean christ, there's epistemic charity, but we do know that Trump has long-standing beef with wind turbines (specifically ones off the coast of his Scottish golf resort), right? And while you're here, DalaiLama, care to defend Trump's comments about Ozone? I'm sure if you look long enough you'll find a way...

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Turtledove wrote:

There is plenty of evidence that the Trump campaign was in a conspiracy with the Russians.

Well, the problem is evidence doesn't mean something is true.

There is plenty evidence we didn't land on the moon, that evolution didn't happen, or that aliens abducted people.

Hoaxes have plenty of evidence, but the reason why we call them a hoax, is because they make the wrong conclusions, based on their evidence.

In this case, Manafort, Flinn, and Cohen, all were charged with crimes unrelated to collusion. Yet, did you hear that in the news? Yeah, I doubt it.

There was always been insufficient proof of Trump-Russia, but a mountain of opinions about Trump's connections to Putin. And it was an opinion, because the link to Trump and Russia in every case turned out to be false.

I.E.

Trump Tower Meeting possibly linking Trump to Russia? Yeah, nothing came out of that one. They might have met someone, but they didn't really? And that was the end of it. That's what you call misleading people with evidence.

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Mueller apparently found the evidence insufficient to prove conspiracy. I say apparently because we haven't actually seen the Mueller report yet, but based on Barr's statements, I believe that conspiracy was not proven in the investigation.

Okay, then. That's fair.

At least you didn't say, Mueller just wasn't good enough and in your hearts of hearts you knew Trump was guilty, lol.

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DalaiLama wrote:

From the article Bess Levin of Vanity Fair asserts:

"As virtually everyone on the Internet was quick to point out, out here, on planet Earth, cancer is not caused by noise, wind-induced or otherwise. "

Not so fast Bess -
"The Effects of Low-Frequency Noise on Rats: Evidence of Chromosomal Aberrations in the Bone Marrow Cells and the Release of Low-Molecular-Weight DNA in the Blood Plasma"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5437756/

I think there is no doubt that noise can cause health issues. But those issues wouldn't be cancer, which is what Trump said.

I'd just take it as something silly he said, rather than a statement of fact.

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RPGlitch wrote:

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DalaiLama wrote:

From the article Bess Levin of Vanity Fair asserts:

"As virtually everyone on the Internet was quick to point out, out here, on planet Earth, cancer is not caused by noise, wind-induced or otherwise. "

Not so fast Bess -
"The Effects of Low-Frequency Noise on Rats: Evidence of Chromosomal Aberrations in the Bone Marrow Cells and the Release of Low-Molecular-Weight DNA in the Blood Plasma"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5437756/

I think there is no doubt that noise can cause health issues. But those issues wouldn't be cancer, which is what Trump said.

I'd just take it as something silly he said, rather than a statement of fact.

Do you deny that Trump lies very often, far more often than a normal person or even other politicians?

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Turtledove wrote:

Do you deny that Trump lies very often, far more often than a normal person or even other politicians?

You are looking at this too narrowly. I don't deny he lies often, but I'm more concerned about the results of his actions, rather than the actions themselves.

Many times, when he exaggerates about a topic, it gets people to look into it to prove him wrong, and as a result, more people get informed about something they otherwise couldn't give a shit about.

For example, we do have immigration problem. More women do get raped trying to cross. And people are put in cages, and families are separated. We also have issue with healthcare, and our foreign policy has been a mess.

All of this happened under Barack Obama, yet most people didn't really care about the actual details, till Trump came into office and he said a few crazy things.

And maybe, I'm giving him too much credit. But he says outlandish statements so frequently on so many topic, that there are probably more people (emotional or not) informed on the actual issues today than any previous administration.

And I think that is a good thing.

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RPGlitch wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Do you deny that Trump lies very often, far more often than a normal person or even other politicians?

You are looking at this too narrowly. I don't deny he lies often, but I'm more concerned about the results of his actions, rather than the actions themselves.

Many times, when he exaggerates about a topic, it gets people to look into it to prove him wrong, and as a result, more people get informed about something they otherwise couldn't give a shit about.

For example, we do have immigration problem. More women do get raped trying to cross. And people are put in cages, and families are separated. We also have issue with healthcare, and our foreign policy has been a mess.

All of this happened under Barack Obama, yet most people didn't really care about the actual details, till Trump came into office and he said a few crazy things.

And maybe, I'm giving him too much credit. But he says outlandish statements so frequently on so many topic, that there are probably more people (emotional or not) informed on the actual issues today than any previous administration.

And I think that is a good thing.

A few pages back I posted a link to an article about a poll taken that indicated that even Trump supporters don't believe many of his lies that he repeats very often. The fun thing about it is that the reader can take a short questionnaire that would indicate whether you believe more of his lies than the average Trump supporter.