ALL HAIL PRESIDENT TRUMP

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Templar_G wrote:
Whenever the stupid press/media/political types go off on Trump about how smart our intelligence community is, and how they don't lie, i think of 2 things...

1) "Hillary Clinton has a 100% chance of becoming president. A vote for Trump is just a waste of your time."

2) "We have to go to war with Iraq because our intelligence community has evidence of weapons of mass destruction, including cartoons of mobile weapons labs".
Even Templar_G can differentiate between fake rightwing proposals -- the ones that aren't in the interests of actual conservative working Americans -- and populist rightwing proposals. I don't know if Templar_G believes there are populist leftwing proposals, but there are -- and while it might be more than a little unrealistic to hope that government could be put in charge of providing this or that currently-privatized service to everyone in a way that's fiscally efficient, it's not impossible for there to be lefties who have pondered that problem with some seriousness and, given the appropriate safeguards, would legitimately find such policies to be in their self-interest.

Here's something everyone needs to understand: No matter who you are, there is someone somewhere trying to sell YOU lies that sound good to YOU but, if enacted, won't benefit you AT ALL. There's no reason to believe your political beliefs are somehow immune, and a mountain of evidence to suggest political beliefs in general are vulnerable to exploitation.

Don't be so gullible, people. I don't care if you're left or right, the fucking CIA of 2003 is obviously not your friend, and until proven otherwise should be assumed not to be. Don't be so gullible that all they have to do is hurl false accusations at a President you don't like to get you dancing to their tune.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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Aim_Deep wrote:
I did hard dirty work. Basically Ive done everything to build a pool and landscaping. Blew mud, rebar, plaster etc when I was young. Then I got promoted to driving heavy equipment and foreman. Now I run all outside crews and mainly deal with formans and munis for permitting and inspection. Anyway even with this huge immigration we can only find just a few ppl worth a shit. Especially natives. Drugs, showing late, incompitant and so on and so forth. I blame social welfare from schools to social security for making ppl snowflakes. Our best ppl are immigrants and we need more IMO.


They were not exposed to deleterious social welfare so are in great demand. Not just by me at lowest rungs of society but by tech companies too like H1B visas.



That was the case before social welfare. Incentive is the key - if they are paid by the job and can do more jobs by being hard working and efficient - and thus make a lot more money - they can be motivated. Not every person is motivated by piece work, but when people make the connection between their work and their paycheck it sparks them to better efforts.
PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910
After being asked if President Trump was a “traitor” for holding a joint press conference with Mr. Putin in Helsinki, Australian Prime Minister Turnbull said:
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Of course not. Donald Trump is a patriot.

He’s an American patriot and his job is representing his country and he’s doing that to the best of his ability just like I represent my country Australia to the best of my ability.
Aussie "muh Russia" NeverTrumps BTFO
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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DalaiLama wrote:
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Aim_Deep wrote:
I did hard dirty work. Basically Ive done everything to build a pool and landscaping. Blew mud, rebar, plaster etc when I was young. Then I got promoted to driving heavy equipment and foreman. Now I run all outside crews and mainly deal with formans and munis for permitting and inspection. Anyway even with this huge immigration we can only find just a few ppl worth a shit. Especially natives. Drugs, showing late, incompitant and so on and so forth. I blame social welfare from schools to social security for making ppl snowflakes. Our best ppl are immigrants and we need more IMO.


They were not exposed to deleterious social welfare so are in great demand. Not just by me at lowest rungs of society but by tech companies too like H1B visas.



That was the case before social welfare. Incentive is the key - if they are paid by the job and can do more jobs by being hard working and efficient - and thus make a lot more money - they can be motivated. Not every person is motivated by piece work, but when people make the connection between their work and their paycheck it sparks them to better efforts.


Disagree. I think people "over the barrel" so to speak are performers. Like I make decent money (as in I could stop working now for 20 years if liquid and beacame a rice and bean eating hermit) but every day I think of my wife and two kids giving them better and it instills fear in me so I work very hard. Same thing if no social safety net is there.

Adversity makes you stronger is well known phase for a reason


Immigrant had lots of adversity so they are strong


Like I said even Microsoft hires them at 200K a pop instead of Americans.
Git R Dun!
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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Aim_Deep wrote:
Here's the negotiation from Taliban. GTFO, full stop. Then what?
I'm not sure.

Thing is, our President has a knack for coming up with winning answers to impossible questions that would leave normal mortals utterly trapped -- in part because he doesn't always constrain himself to things like truth and logic, as the clip shows. He is uniquely qualified to handle exactly this type of situation.
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You're really enamored. My take is Trump will get taken to cleaners like Kim did to him. Trump is basically a trust fund kid. Pretend gangster not a match for real deals like Taliban or Kim who would sacrifice whole family and themselves for victory.

Mark my words it's GTFO or perpetual occupation behind Bagram Air Base walls.

It may be a shock to Americans but everyone does not want what we want

now seems like a good time to quote John Quincy Adams who understood this shit

On July 4, 1821, Secretary of State John Quincy Adams delivered an historic address on U.S. foreign policy. After reading the full text of the Declaration of Independence, he continued:
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It is not, let me repeat, fellow citizens, it is not the long enumeration of intolerable wrongs concentrated in this declaration; it is not the melancholy catalogue of alternate oppression and entreaty, of reciprocated indignity and remonstrance, upon which, in the celebration of this anniversary, your memory delights to dwell.

Nor is it yet that the justice of your cause was vindicated by the God of battles; that in a conflict of seven years, the history of the war by which you maintained that declaration, became the history of the civilized, world; that the unanimous voice of enlightened Europe and the verdict of an after age have sanctioned your assumption of sovereign power, and that the name of your Washington is enrolled upon the records of time, first in the glorious line of heroic virtue.

It is not that the monarch himself, who had been your oppressor, was compelled to recognize you as a sovereign and independent people, and that the nation, whose feelings of fraternity for you had slumbered in the lap of pride, was awakened in the arms of humiliation to your equal and no longer contested rights.

The primary purpose of this declaration, the proclamation to the world of the causes of our revolution, is “with the years beyond the flood.” It is of no more interest to us than the chastity of Lucretia, or the apple on the head of the child of Tell. Little less than 40 years have revolved since the struggle for independence was closed; another generation has arisen; and in the assembly of nations our republic is already a matron of mature age. The cause of your independence is no longer upon trial. The final sentence upon it has long since been passed upon earth and ratified in heaven.

The interest, which in this paper has survived the occasion upon which it was issued; the interest which is of every age and every clime; the interest which quickens with the lapse of years, spreads as it grows old, and brightens as it recedes, is in the principles which it proclaims. It was the first solemn declaration by a nation of the only legitimate foundation of civil government. It was the corner stone of a new fabric, destined to cover the surface of the globe. It demolished at a stroke the lawfulness of all governments founded upon conquest. It swept away all the rubbish of accumulated centuries of servitude. It announced in practical form to the world the transcendent truth of the unalienable sovereignty of the people. It proved that the social compact was no figment of the imagination; but a real, solid, and sacred bond of the social union.

From the day of this declaration, the people of North America were no longer the fragment of a distant empire, imploring justice and mercy from an inexorable master in another hemisphere. They were no longer children appealing in vain to the sympathies of a heartless mother; no longer subjects leaning upon the shattered columns of royal promises, and invoking the faith of parchment to secure their rights. They were a nation, asserting as of right, and maintaining by war, its own existence. A nation was born in a day.

“How many ages hence shall this their lofty scene be acted o’er in states unborn, and accents yet unknown?”

It will be acted o’er, fellow citizens, but it can never be repeated. It stands, and must forever stand alone, a beacon on the summit of the mountain, to which all the inhabitants of the earth may turn their eyes for a genial and saving light, till time shall be lost in eternity, and this globe itself dissolve, nor leave a wreck behind. It stands forever, a light of admonition to the rulers of men; a light of salvation and redemption to the oppressed.

So long as this planet shall be inhabited by human beings, so long as man shall be of social nature, so long as government shall be necessary to the great moral purposes of society, and so long as it shall be abused to the purposes of oppression, so long shall this declaration hold out to the sovereign and to the subject the extent and the boundaries of their respective rights and duties; founded in the laws of nature and of nature’s God.

Five and forty years have passed away since this Declaration was issued by our fathers; and here are we, fellow citizens, assembled in the full enjoyment of its fruits, to bless the Author of our being for the bounties of his providence, in casting our lot in this favored land; to remember with effusions of gratitude the sages who put forth, and the heroes who bled for the establishment of this Declaration; and, by the communion of soul in the reperusal and hearing of this instrument, to renew the genuine Holy Alliance of its principles, to recognize them as eternal truths, and to pledge ourselves and bind our posterity to a faithful and undeviating adherence to them.

Fellow citizens, our fathers have been faithful to them before us. When the little band of their Delegates, “with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, for the support of this declaration, mutually pledged to each other their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor,” from every dwelling, street, and square of your populous cities, it was re-echoed with shouts of joy and gratulation! And if the silent language of the heart could have been heard, every hill upon the surface of this continent which had been trodden by the foot of civilized man, every valley in which the toil of your fathers had opened a paradise upon the wild, would have rung, with one accordant voice, louder than the thunders, sweeter than the harmonies of the heavens, with the solemn and responsive words, “We swear.”

The pledge has been redeemed. Through six years of devastating but heroic war, through nearly 40 years of more heroic peace, the principles of this declaration have been supported by the toils, by the vigils, by the blood of your fathers and of yourselves. The conflict of war had begun with fearful odds of apparent human power on the side of the oppressor. He wielded at will the collective force of the mightiest nation in Europe. He with more than poetic truth asserted the dominion of the waves.

The power, to whose unjust usurpation your fathers hurled the gauntlet of defiance, baffled and vanquished by them, has even since, stripped of all the energies of this continent, been found adequate to give the law to its own quarter of the globe, and to mould the destinies of the European world. It was with a sling and a stone, that your fathers went forth to encounter the massive vigor of this Goliath. They slung the heaven-directed stone, and “With heaviest sound, the giant monster fell.”

Amid the shouts of victory your cause soon found friends and allies in the rivals of your enemies. France recognized your independence as existing in fact, and made common cause with you for its support. Spain and the Netherlands, without adopting your principles, successively flung their weight into your scale. …

The Declaration of Independence pronounced the irrevocable decree of political separation, between the United States and their people on the one part, and the British king, government, and nation on the other. It proclaimed the first principles on which civil government is founded, and derived from them the justification before earth and heaven of this act of sovereignty. But it left the people of this union, collective and individual, without organized government. In contemplating this state of things, one of the profoundest of British statesmen, in an ecstasy of astonishment exclaimed, “Anarchy is found tolerable!’ But there was no anarchy.

From the day of the Declaration, the people of the North American union, and of its constituent states, were associated bodies of civilized men and christians, in a state of nature, but not of anarchy. They were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledged as the rules of their conduct. They were bound by the principles which they themselves had proclaimed in the declaration. They were bound by all those tender and endearing sympathies, the absence of which, in the British government and nation, towards them, was the primary cause of the distressing conflict in which they had been precipitated by the headlong rashness and unfeeling insolence of their oppressors. They were bound by all the beneficent laws and institutions, which their forefathers had brought with them from their mother country, not as servitudes but as rights. They were bound by habits of hardy industry, by frugal and hospitable manners, by the general sentiments of social equality, by pure and virtuous morals; and lastly they were bound by the grappling-hooks of common suffering under the scourge of oppression. Where then, among such a people, were the materials for anarchy! Had there been among them no other law, they would have been a law unto themselves.

They had before them in their new position, besides the maintenance of the independence which they had declared, three great objects to attain; the first, to cement and prepare for perpetuity their common union and that of their posterity; the second, to erect and organize civil and municipal governments in their respective states: and the third, to form connections of friendship and of commerce with foreign nations.

For all these objects, the same Congress which issued the Declaration, and at the same time with it, had provided. They recommended to the several states to form civil governments for themselves; with guarded and cautious deliberation they matured a confederation for the whole Union; and they prepared treaties of commerce, to be offered to the principal maritime nations of the world.

All these objects were in a great degree accomplished amid the din of arms, and while every quarter of our country was ransacked by the fury of invasion. The states organized their governments, all in republican forms, all on the principles of the Declaration. The confederation was unanimously accepted by the thirteen states: and treaties of commerce were concluded with France and the Netherlands, in which, for the first time, the same just and magnanimous principles, consigned in the Declaration of Independence, were, so far as they could be applicable to the intercourse between nation and nation, solemnly recognized.

When experience had proved that the confederation was not adequate to the national purposes of the country, the people of the United States, without tumult, without violence, by their delegates all chosen upon principles of equal right, formed a more perfect union, by the establishment of the federal constitution.

This has already passed the ordeal of one human generation. In all the changes of men and of parties through which it has passed, it has been administered on the same fundamental principles. Our manners, our habits, our feelings, are all republican; and if our principles had been, when first proclaimed, doubtful to the ear of reason or the sense of humanity, they would have been reconciled to our understanding and endeared to our hearts by their practical operation.

In the progress of 40 years since the acknowledgment of our independence, we have gone through many modifications of internal government, and through all the vicissitudes of peace and war, with other mighty nations. But never, never for a moment have the great principles, consecrated by the Declaration of this day, been renounced or abandoned.

And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the older world, the first observers of mutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to inquire, what has America done for the benefit of mankind?

Let our answer be this–America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, equal justice, and equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations, while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when the conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama, the European World, will be contests between inveterate power, and emerging right.

Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause, by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself, beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. The frontlet upon her brows would no longer beam with the ineffable splendor of freedom and independence; but in its stead would soon be substituted an imperial diadem, flashing in false and tarnished lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the dictatress of the world: she would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.

Stand forth, ye champions of Britannia, ruler of the waves! Stand forth, ye chivalrous knights of chartered liberties and the rotten borough! Enter the lists, ye, boasters of inventive genius! Ye mighty masters of the palette and the brush! Ye improvers upon the sculpture of the Elgin marbles! Ye spawners of fustian romance and lascivious lyrics!

Come, and inquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind! In the half century which has elapsed since the declaration of American independence, what have you done for the benefit of mankind? When Themistocles was sarcastically asked by some great musical genius of his age whether he knew how to play upon the lute, he answered, No! but he knew how to make a great city of a small one.

We shall not contend with you for the prize of music, painting, or sculpture. We shall not disturb the ecstatic trances of your chemists, nor call from the heavens the ardent gaze of your astronomers. We will not ask you who was the last president of your Royal Academy. We will not inquire by whose mechanical combinations it was, that your steamboats stem the currents of your rivers, and vanquish the opposition of the winds themselves upon your seas. We will not name the inventor of the cotton-gin, for we fear that you would ask us the meaning of the word, and pronounce it a provincial barbarism. We will not name to you him, whose graver defies the imitation of forgery, and saves the labor of your executioner, by taking from your greatest geniuses of robbery the power of committing the crime. He is now among yourselves; and since your philosophers have permitted him to prove to them the compressibility of water, you may perhaps claim him for your own. Would you soar to fame upon a rocket, or burst into glory from a shell? We shall leave you to inquire of your naval heroes their opinion of the steam-battery and the torpedo.

It is not by the contrivance of agents of destruction, that America wishes to commend her inventive genius to the admiration or the gratitude of after times; nor is it even by the detection of the secrets or the composition of new modifications of physical nature.
“Excudent alii spirantia mollius aera.” Nor even is her purpose the glory of Roman ambition; nor “tu regere imperio populosa” her memento to her sons.

Her glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of mind. She has a spear and a shield; but the motto upon her shield is Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.

My countrymen, fellow-citizens, and friends; could that Spirit, which dictated the Declaration we have this day read, that Spirit, which “prefers before all temples the upright heart and pure,” at this moment descend from his habitation in the skies, and within this hall, in language audible to mortal ears, address each one of us, here assembled, our beloved country, Britannia ruler of the waves, and every individual among the sceptred lords of humankind; his words would be, “Go thou and do likewise!”

John Quincy Adams (1767-1848) was the sixth president of the United States (1825-1829).
Git R Dun!
Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Jul 17, 2018, 10:38:34 PM
So Democrats from high tax states are now officially suing the federal government to eliminate tax increases on the rich, in an effort to lower taxes for the rich.

Wow, it is like we are in upside down world now.
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Khoranth wrote:
So Democrats from high tax states are now officially suing the federal government to eliminate tax increases on the rich, in an effort to lower taxes for the rich.

Wow, it is like we are in upside down world now.


Democrats dont really pay taxes hear me out - first of all any rich democrats are not really working ... Like actors or lawyers preying on others hard work or sportman or worst gov workers. two of those we all did in school and grew up, one is just pure leeching (lawyers) finally fourth is pure theft to make thier way. Anyway 95% of democrats are takers who want free shit and vote for party of free shit which is dims by in large. Thats not to say there are not big gov republicans - we have plenty - but at least they try and minimize it.

Anyway - what your are hearing here is states rights and I'm fine with protest by dems who pay a a load in thier socialist fail states...IMO we should not have income taxes at all tho.

Why penalize successful people? Makes no sense.

Reward fail get more fail.

Penalize success get less success.

We humans are animals with only bigger vocabulary and respond to pavlov just like an ameba.
Git R Dun!
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Why is Russia meddling even a problem? The news wont stop talking about it but I seriously fail to see issue even if true. The U.S, in the last 70 years has invaded more sovereign nations than any nation I can think of. Additionally, the USA has meddled in more elections and actually overthrown more leaders than any nation I can think of
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/13/the-long-history-of-the-u-s-interfering-with-elections-elsewhere/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4c98139e5f2e

Seems like news-people exhibit snowflake tendencies when they don't like a summit.

Lets get real here - this is all an excuse to bash Trump by Deep State who's livelihood depends on conflict with Russia. Dems jump on board obviously since it's a republican and not Obama. But media is showing true left wing bias and can't be trusted anymore.

This whole spectacle reminds me of McCarthyism or Muslim bashing by right wingers over at Brietbart

I think we should GTFO of everyplace and be a liberty city on a hill though. Very much a minority. (see libertarian returns in elections)
Git R Dun!
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Aim wrote:
This whole spectacle reminds me of McCarthyism or Muslim bashing by right wingers over at Brietbart

I think we should GTFO of everyplace and be a liberty city on a hill though. Very much a minority. (see libertarian returns in elections)



Very much so. I received a death threat for writing in Russian from one of these reprobate red baiters. I wish they would get back in their time machine and return to mid 20thc where they belong.


Yeah, if they stopped all foreign adventures any idea who much money we would save? If people knew, they would never stop hurling.
Censored.
The Pedosta brothers are apparently getting immunity from Mueller. Shit's fucked.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.

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