[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

why did not anyone thought of reckless defence jewels?

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Imurgod wrote:

Why you guys being so meekly on GGG to let them take you in inch by inch?! first they nerfed WM hugely so we have to face tank more, now they nerfed our block chance by whopping 50% so we will die lot more often. This build is dead! why you guys just wont admit? I am not going for spectre for sure this time, maybe not even playing. If you wanna keep at it then mark my words you will be more frustrated than a fish in a net! But GGG aint finish with you yet, just watch till they nerf the spectres by 75% because they simply can! what are you gonna do about it?

Counterpoint.

Meekly, huh? What do you propose? We storm the castle at GGG in protest? Go ahead, pick up your airline tickets to New Zealand. I'll see you there. Honest.

Nerfed our block chance by 50%? Care to explain how you suck at math some more? Most of our block doesn't even come from Bone Offering to start with, and only the BO is down to 50%.

We'll die a whole lot more often? Well, *YOU* might. I've run 8 mod corrupt t15-16s with Flesh Offering the whole time. I can still count the number of deaths on my Abyss toon on the fingers on one hand.

And certainly, GGG has nerfed literally hundreds of builds into oblivion since I started playing. What do we do? We move on. We don't gripe and complain about it in every post.

Finally, YOU have predicted the sky is falling before, IN THIS THREAD, and not only were you proved wrong, but you came back and played the very build you predicted doom for again the next league. So far, your prediction rating is zero. Weather forecasters have a better record, for crying out loud.

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argyspy wrote:

why did not anyone thought of reckless defence jewels?

So far, we haven't needed them. Also, that crit chance might just 1-shot us against uber / guardians / shaper.

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Lacceh wrote:

niche league that few people play? the f*ck you talkin' about.

no that is far from a fact, and I actually know, because I've played it. 50% block isn't tanky at all, it's not reliable, which is why I'd skip hard maps with reduced block mod. you need 70+ for it to be reliable, otherwise you may not even have it BECAUSE you MUST HAVE another reliable defense in place in which case the investment for anything below 70 block is NOT worth it. that's what I've been trying to explain, but you're in denial.

Wait, we were supposed to skip hard maps with reduced block? Damn... I just alc / vaal and go. Never had to give up on a map, and my total deaths for Abyss was 4.

I could see skipping the scary stuff if you're in HC, personally I don't play there because the market sucks hairy donkey balls.

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berudor wrote:

to be honest, even for Shaper and Guardians I dont use Bone Offering. I prefer Flesh Offering for movement speed. Movement speed is my personal survival tool for most boss fights + the increased damage is nice too. But I play only SC, in HC it may be a completely different game.

I agree on the movement speed, although I have been using CoD instead of Spirit Eater as well.

The increased damage through increased attack / cast speed only works for Solar Guards though.

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Lacceh wrote:

no that is far from a fact, and I actually know, because I've played it. 50% block isn't tanky at all, it's not reliable, which is why I'd skip hard maps with reduced block mod. you need 70+ for it to be reliable, otherwise you may not even have it BECAUSE you MUST HAVE another reliable defense in place in which case the investment for anything below 70 block is NOT worth it. that's what I've been trying to explain, but you're in denial.

Mate you where here screaming about how dead this build was at the end of last league and calling everyone who disagreed with you an idiot who did not understand the game as well as you... And you ended up being dead wrong.

Funnily enough but I will bet you anything that at the end of 3.2 you will be right back in this thread screaming that this build is dead once again in 3.3 .

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argyspy wrote:

why did not anyone thought of reckless defence jewels?

Thank you! I actually forgot that jewel existed.

I think for HC the advancing fortress based build is better, but for SC reckless defence sounds just perfect to me - 4 of them plus Solidity / Sanctuary and I won't even need shaped amulet and shield, and can still use Scourge. Even an Anvil could be considered in that case.
It does mess with plans about anima stone + 3 primals though, but I guess if someone insists on that, they'll have to use other means to max block.

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grimjack68 wrote:

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Lacceh wrote:

niche league that few people play? the f*ck you talkin' about.

no that is far from a fact, and I actually know, because I've played it. 50% block isn't tanky at all, it's not reliable, which is why I'd skip hard maps with reduced block mod. you need 70+ for it to be reliable, otherwise you may not even have it BECAUSE you MUST HAVE another reliable defense in place in which case the investment for anything below 70 block is NOT worth it. that's what I've been trying to explain, but you're in denial.

Wait, we were supposed to skip hard maps with reduced block? Damn... I just alc / vaal and go. Never had to give up on a map, and my total deaths for Abyss was 4.

I could see skipping the scary stuff if you're in HC, personally I don't play there because the market sucks hairy donkey balls.

Played a variation of this build in Abyss HC, farmed shaper/guardians with it. Ran Ahn's Heritage so my max block was only 65% and I never felt squishy at all, actually one of the most tanky chars I've had. Planning on playing the same exact version, so I will basically lose 150-200 life on block and maybe 5-7% on my block.

This guy is just trying to get people off of the build he plays so items get a little cheaper.

I'm planning on going solar guards instead of TVs. What are the bis items for AG then?

Double dyadus? Double singularity?
Chest, gloves, boots and helm?

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grimjack68 wrote:

Wait, we were supposed to skip hard maps with reduced block? Damn... I just alc / vaal and go. Never had to give up on a map, and my total deaths for Abyss was 4.

I could see skipping the scary stuff if you're in HC, personally I don't play there because the market sucks hairy donkey balls.

You're not making an argument against what I've just said, so not sure why you're replying?

I never said you're supposed to do anything, you do whatever you want. Of course I skip 8 mod maps with 40% reduced block mod(75%->45%) as a rule of thumb, because I'd prefer not to die.
MoM alone is just an EHP boost, our primary and only defense was BO. If it's reduced to blocking 2 out of 4 hits instead of 3 out of 4, I will eventually take consecutive hits and die. That's not good enough in HC. If I die once in 100 8 mod maps, that's already too many, surely you understand.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with SC, but any decent build should be able to alch vaal go, maybe you'll die more often if your build is weaker and/or you're not as good, but it's SC so who cares. Only HC really matters and that's my PoV. Your only argument here is that 'so what, you might die a little bit more often from now on', because you come with an SC mindset, and that's not valid.

So to sum it up, my point still stands; I lost ~17% block 26% spellblock, on my primary and only reliable defense - do you understand how much investment you need to make in gear and/or passives to get back to where you were before? It's enormous, and further weakens your dmg/survivability, while other classes got crazy buffs. And no, Rumi's is not a viable replacement, the uptime is not reliable especially on boss fights where you need it to be reliable the most. So just admit and acknowledge that the nerf is SEVERE, stop trying to play it off as something you can easily offset.

And on a sidenote: if you don't play there, how would you know the market sucks? I play HC exclusively every league since beta so far, I trade 24/7 because I enjoy it, market seems fine to me.