[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

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reagan247 wrote:

How do FGs not help against guardian? There are TONS of people who have downed Guardians with FGs...

Using

lets your Zombies & AG blind, while FGs & TVs/SGs do damage.

It's not a matter of help, it's a matter of degree. TVs do so much damage alone that the extra from FGs is, well, not insignificant, but not a huge factor.

Doing some rough back of the napkin calculations... Natt has a video posted where he drops Shaper from 50% to near death in 6 seconds. Shaper has over 20,000,000 life, and 40% resistance to fire, so that works out to ~2.5 million damage per second. This was also with only 3 TVs.

I pulled a vid from a full on Golemancer running a 6L fire golem setup and checked, and the FGs are doing 16% of shaper's health in 10 seconds. Some also quick math makes that ~480k damage per second.

Add in the lack of a 4th TV in Natt's video, plus the fact that we aren't actually Golemancers, and the gap is only going to get wider.

So, absolutely not insignificant damage from the FGs, however, the TVs are going to put out the lion's share of the damage.

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Invincible1946 wrote:

Hey guys, i need a suggestion for a red socket. It cant be burning damage.

I guess fire penetration wont work because the description says "skills that hit" and TV doesnt hit, right?

What else can i put in this red socket?

Dont ask why, im broke and cant get another socket right now.

Less duration is the only thing that even *might* help.

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Masterfulidea wrote:

Sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I meant which 5 link for Tukohamas + Wickerman. I would think to sub out resistances gem, but that may be incorrect, so which is the right choice?

You're right on the money there... drop the resistance gem unless your spectres are dropping health.

Just crafted this after i seen the immolate fix will this still work with x4 tv or should i link my fg in here

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BenMelhad wrote:

Anybody have any advice for boss kill speed for a solar guard variant? This build is the only build I've ever played where I could immediately jump into the high-end of maps I could do and still gain levels (6/7/8) because the clear speed is just insane with solar guards, but the boss kill speed leaves a lot to be desired.

Also any advice on spirit eater vs. commander of darkness? The resists make it very appealing because that's less resist I have to find on gear, but so is the 30% minion damage.

Swap GMP for Slower Projectiles for more single target DPS vs bosses.

Are you running an Animated Guardian?

Commander of Darkness, no question. The only buff from Spirit Eater that affects your minions is the first one. CoD gives you the same damage buff, plus resistances, and SGs also take advantage of the cast speed bonus, all for the price of a level 1 clarity aura.

Hey guys, its not clear to me how TV will take advantage of elemental equilibrium. How exactly do i proc -50% fire res on enemies? What are the "shouldnt do"s with elemental equilibrium?

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grimjack68 wrote:

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Invincible1946 wrote:

Hey guys, i need a suggestion for a red socket. It cant be burning damage.

I guess fire penetration wont work because the description says "skills that hit" and TV doesnt hit, right?

What else can i put in this red socket?

Dont ask why, im broke and cant get another socket right now.

Less duration is the only thing that even *might* help.

Thank you, how exactly though? Using TV.

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healzr wrote:

Just crafted this after i seen the immolate fix will this still work with x4 tv or should i link my fg in here

Immolate fix? I haven't seen any reference to that yet.

Given that FGs are here for trash mob clearing, I'd always prioritise my 6L for my main dps minions.

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grimjack68 wrote:

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healzr wrote:

Just crafted this after i seen the immolate fix will this still work with x4 tv or should i link my fg in here

Immolate fix? I haven't seen any reference to that yet.

Given that FGs are here for trash mob clearing, I'd always prioritise my 6L for my main dps minions.

well im going to have a 6 link chest too for fg or tv but im not sure who this helm will be best for tv or fg

the immolate fix is in the patch notes coming very soon


https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2075367 for the notes

I think im going to swap out of the golem set up tbh. I just did a t11 boss with just the golems and the damage isnt good at all. Compared to 3 - lvl 81 VGs, its a joke. As stated above. The damage they give you vs bosses is a drop in the bucket compared to your spectres.

I think id rather have 2 spectre set ups. 1 vanguard and 3 sg for maps or 2 + 2.

Giving up 4 jewel slots and a 6L set up for a bit more clear speed in maps is something im having a hard time justifying at the moment.

Thats 4 more jewels i can use to buff my spectres and give me more life and mana. I can get almost 200 flat life from those.

Doesnt seem worth it to me. Its a nice idea but I think youre giving up too much. Could even keep 2 jewel slots and get 4 more passive points.

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Invincible1946 wrote:

Hey guys, its not clear to me how TV will take advantage of elemental equilibrium. How exactly do i proc -50% fire res on enemies? What are the "shouldnt do"s with elemental equilibrium?

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grimjack68 wrote:

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Invincible1946 wrote:

Hey guys, i need a suggestion for a red socket. It cant be burning damage.

I guess fire penetration wont work because the description says "skills that hit" and TV doesnt hit, right?

What else can i put in this red socket?

Dont ask why, im broke and cant get another socket right now.

Less duration is the only thing that even *might* help.

Thank you, how exactly though? Using TV.

You are triggering EE with your character. Specifically with your curse on hit lightning ball or arc, in most cases. This attack will hit with lightning damage, which will boost the enemies lightning resist and drop their flame / cold resist. Your minions deal fire damage, so they now get a damage boost. You do need to ensure that none of your gear is adding fire damage to attacks, or you'll be giving the critters a higher resist against your minions.

As for how less duration might help, it has a more damage multiplier. I haven't tested it though, so it might have unintended side effects. It's possible that your TVs would only have their totems up part of the time, which would be less than ideal. None of the other red support gems are going to do anything at all though.