[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

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grimjack68 wrote:

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konigreich wrote:

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lostcoaster wrote:

As for the curse, I think vulnerability is best. We already have scorching ray (-24% resist) and EE (-50% resist).

So what? Resist can be lowered under 0%. Vulnerability can be better only if monster has much uncapped resistance, coz Equlibrium lowers capped resistance, but curses and scorching ray not.

Just pulled out a spreadsheet and did a bunch of math to figure this out... and the results are not what I expected.

TLDR: Use vulnerability and a double dyadus AG for everything except shaper. If you're not using AG, use flammability. Regardless, use flammability for Shaper.

Against normal mobs - where it probably doesn't matter much, they die so damn fast, usually long before Scorching Ray gets to stack up it's 24% resistance penalty, we get 6% more damage using vulnerability over flammability. If we're using a double dyadus AG, that widens out even more, to 16%. Again, not that useful, as the mobs are usually dead too fast to matter, cursed or not.

Against bosses, like for instance, Atziri, who has 30% elemental resistance and 60% curse reduction, flammability gives us 4% extra damage over vulnerability - unless you are using a double dyadus AG, in which case vulnerability gives us an extra 3% over flammability.

Shaper is a special case, as he has 40% resists, and an 80% curse reduction. Flammability gives us a 5% damage boost over vuln, and manages to squeak out a 1% damage increase over vuln even when using a dual dyadus AG. If you can keep the AG alive, that is. :)

PS: The damage boost using the double dyadus AG is tremendous - no wonder it burns down bosses so much faster. It's 55-60% more damage against bosses, and 65-68% more against shaper!

Disclaimer: My math may not agree with whoever coded the damage calculations at GGG. YMMV.

Edited for clarity.

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wiwigvn wrote:

I always regard AG as 5c investment disposable. He lives through most guardian fights and often rip to Shaper. He's less tanky than Stone Golem, what the hell.

Maybe I'll buy a lv3 empower and see if he can live through it (no, I refuse to use a +2 rare helm, I love my devoto's movement speed + bone offering boost :D)

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grimjack68 wrote:

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konigreich wrote:

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lostcoaster wrote:

As for the curse, I think vulnerability is best. We already have scorching ray (-24% resist) and EE (-50% resist).

So what? Resist can be lowered under 0%. Vulnerability can be better only if monster has much uncapped resistance, coz Equlibrium lowers capped resistance, but curses and scorching ray not.

Just pulled out a spreadsheet and did a bunch of math to figure this out... and the results are not what I expected.

TLDR: Use vulnerability and a double dyadus AG for everything except shaper. If you're not using AG, use flammability. Regardless, use flammability for Shaper.

Against normal mobs - where it probably doesn't matter much, they die so damn fast, usually long before Scorching Ray gets to stack up it's 24% resistance penalty, we get 6% more damage using vulnerability over flammability. If we're using a double dyadus AG, that widens out even more, to 16%. Again, not that useful, as the mobs are usually dead too fast to matter, cursed or not.

Against bosses, like for instance, Atziri, who has 30% elemental resistance and 60% curse reduction, flammability gives us 4% extra damage over vulnerability - unless you are using a double dyadus AG, in which case vulnerability gives us an extra 3% over flammability.

Shaper is a special case, as he has 40% resists, and an 80% curse reduction. Flammability gives us a 5% damage boost over vuln, and manages to squeak out a 1% damage increase over vuln even when using a dual dyadus AG. If you can keep the AG alive, that is. :)

PS: The damage boost using the double dyadus AG is tremendous - no wonder it burns down bosses so much faster. It's 55-60% more damage against bosses, and 65-68% more against shaper!

Disclaimer: My math may not agree with whoever coded the damage calculations at GGG. YMMV.

Edited for clarity.

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grimjack68 wrote:

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LaplaceNoMa wrote:

Why do so many people use Whirling blades instead of Shield Charge? I was under the impression that WB becomes better than SC only at extremely high amounts of attack speed...

//edit: while we're at this topic, which is the best damage curse there is? Usually when talking about fire damage, elemental weakness outperforms flammability if you're not invested in burning damage, but in our case it's different. Or, perhaps, vulnerability outperforms both of those?

So, picked up a SC gem and ran Strand both ways, timing each run. With my setup at least, WB comes out faster by just a bit - 34.61s vs 33.12s. Not enough of a difference to worry about IMO.

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I put AG in shield slots, whenever I see it drops below 60% life I press swapping weapon key to instantly desummon it.
The only trouble will be when I am dead or AG getting one-shot. The latter case is very very unlikely as long as its resists are capped and properly leveled (currently lv19, not getting one-shot by shaper or crazily damage modded guardians).

BTW, AG should not be less tanky than golem. I always use stone golem as my canary in mine. If stone golem is dead, I am warned that AG will next. Otherwise there should be no problem.

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Millennium wrote:

Question, got a srs necro char as league starter (you can check the tree, character name is millennium_srs), can that char be converted to this build? Don't really wanna try to level another necro all over again.

ps. Can anyone help with the passive tree for tuko fortress version?

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yissus wrote:

which one is better build for endgame? the life based? or the energy shield aegis one?