[3.x - Discontinued for now] Burning Spectres - Torch the Atlas - HC Shaper, Elder, Uber Atziri

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Asag wrote:

Hi.
I always wanted to kill Shaper but never achieve this (killed Uber Atziri 2-3 times but it was long time ago). Now Im leveling Spectres necromancer (SRS atm, soon switching to spectres) for this but its abit confusing for me so just wanted to clarify one thing.

In next week after desecrate changes how to get Vanguards and Wicked in any map? I have to go first to area with them (act 6 and 10?) then make spectres, enter map and keep desecrating till I get their corpses?

Yes, right now it's a pain to summon them, as you'll need to find a map that has these types of monsters on the map.

With next week's changes, you'll just have to summon them on act6 /act 10 and then you'll be able to summon higher level version of them in any map - you ideally want t17 spectres summoned on Shaper's Realm.

This also means that if you lose one spectre on a map you can just summon it again.

So I almost finished campaign and soon will start maps, what would be better at this point, Stone of Lazwhar + some rare shield or maybe Rathphith Globe + some rare amulet?

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Asag wrote:

So I almost finished campaign and soon will start maps, what would be better at this point, Stone of Lazwhar + some rare shield or maybe Rathphith Globe + some rare amulet?

That sort of depends on either the gear that you already have or what you can afford on poe.trade. Using Rathpith will allow you to switch up your amulet and use maybe biscos while mapping and whatnot. Using Lazwhar will let you use a badass shield that could potentially take care of a lot of res, life and +block. It probably wouldn't hurt to have both: one for mapping, one for bossing.

Out of curiosity, how well does this function without GG jewels? Will it significantly affect my ability to do Shaper/Uber Atziri?

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Catemonster wrote:

Out of curiosity, how well does this function without GG jewels? Will it significantly affect my ability to do Shaper/Uber Atziri?

I can only speak for myself, but I only have one gem that affects spectres: 9% life, 15% dmg. I don't have any lvl 20 gems and I think only 3 of them are 20 qual. I haven't done Uber Atziri yet, but Shaper was doable. Killed my guardian tho. I decided to roll with 2 WM and 2TV (t17). They did fine.

Decided to take my chances at the end game today, after farming T13 (as easy as it can be).

Guardians were OK. It was my first shot at these fights and all were doable with not much concern. Chimera was the hardest one because os cloud phase.

Shaper was a different story. Lost one portal in one of the mini-bosses (the green chick that floats around). But the Shaper fight was just a little too much for my skills. Got to 2nd fase, but that was it. I felt i was running around too much and my spectres just ran with me instead of targeting Shaper.

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You can also have it dual wield Dyadus, resulting in an effective +150% more damage multiplier.

Could you please help me understand why? I understand there is a 100% more, but where do 50% more come from?

And I have heard that The Bringer Of Rain would work with a Chest for AG, is this correct?

Somone know how to calculate dmg on spectre?

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Krazy_X wrote:

Decided to take my chances at the end game today, after farming T13 (as easy as it can be).

Guardians were OK. It was my first shot at these fights and all were doable with not much concern. Chimera was the hardest one because os cloud phase.

Shaper was a different story. Lost one portal in one of the mini-bosses (the green chick that floats around). But the Shaper fight was just a little too much for my skills. Got to 2nd fase, but that was it. I felt i was running around too much and my spectres just ran with me instead of targeting Shaper.

It gets easier. When I first did shaper, I used 5/6 portals and barely killed him by letting my spectres finish him after I died in phase 3. Without knowing the fight, some of his attacks even seemed too powerful - hell, I thought that teleport slam was absurd.

But the next kill was easier, and the next, and after a couple more I found myself doing it easily without any deaths. Now, it feels like you have an eternity to dodge the teleport slam, because I'm used to the timing, and it feels like he takes FOREVER to wind up his beam.

The golden orbs are still fairly obnoxious, especially in phase 3 when the clone uses the beam to trap you close to them...still, not that bad.

The only part of the fight that never stops being obnoxious is the scenario where there are white explosion orbs at the same time as Zana's shield. If you end up with an orb filling the interior of the red bubble, you're basically dead. My solution to this is just to either dash out and back in to trigger the orb explosion outside the bubble, or position myself so the orb explodes on the very outer edge of the bubble leaving a small sliver of safe ground to stand on. Both options kind of suck.

As for the targeting issue, that definitely can happen if you run far away from him...but remember, the TVs do negligible damage themselves, it's just the totem that's relevant, so you can let them drop it, and then get to a safer spot. Also, the spectres seem more aggressive if you've hit the enemy with an attack/curse, so use your Curse-On-Hit application skill in Shaper's direction, and the spectres should go play with him.

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flyaway_kong wrote:

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You can also have it dual wield Dyadus, resulting in an effective +150% more damage multiplier.

Could you please help me understand why? I understand there is a 100% more, but where do 50% more come from?

And I have heard that The Bringer Of Rain would work with a Chest for AG, is this correct?

I'm interested in the 150% as well!

As for the gear / gems, I've been following this excellent setup posted by IchiMorghulis on page 81.

AG-Minion Life-Melee Splash, equipped with Dual Dyadus, BoR, Icetomb, Rainbowstride, and a pair of rare glove with very high fire and lightning resist and some life.

I'm running mine in a bone helm, and I've added in Fortify, planning on swapping that for an Empower eventually. My AG has tanked everything so far except Hydra, and I could likely have saved him there if I had just TP'd out once.