[3.2] That Doomfletch Life | 3.1 VIDEO GUIDE UP! Tree/PoB | All Content | Reviews

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Euploid wrote:

I'd like to chime in here regarding this bullshit builds thing.


There are plenty of "build guides" on this forum that are basically just mirror service threads, with people posting bloated PoB numbers using passive trees and gem combinations that only make sense with very high level characters and mirror-tier gear. Choosing this guide to critique on that basis is just lazy.

The only way you could think this guide was only an advertisement is if you glance at the guide and don't try making the character. The main post includes detailed explanations for stat priority on budget gear and numerous testimonials with examples of easily achievable in-league gear.

If that's not enough, Ahfack monitors the thread and regularly makes lengthy comments which are usually aimed at helping players make the build work in leagues. How is this not a proper guide to making this build work?


That's not to say the guide isn't an advertisement, obviously it partly is but why does that even matter? Shouldn't it be considered a point in favour of the build that the OP has taken the gear as far as it can possibly go and thus demonstrated how far it can be scaled?

Bullshit implies dishonesty but there's no dishonesty on Ahfack's part in this guide. The first part of the thread is a showcase of the build's potential with clear disclaimers on achievability, which is a natural part of any good build guide.

This whole discussion honestly feels like class hatred. "Ahfack is rich on standard and made an OP build with his OP gear, he must be a dishonest moneygrabbing prick trying to get noobs to buy his mirror items." It's just stupid. Why does everyone have to be so catty about it? If any of these haters actually had mirror bases they would make similar guides in a heartbeat.


As an end note, I played this build in Harbinger SC with rares that were decent at best and got to 1.4 million Shaper DPS with +1 arrow drillneck and +2 proj abyssus. It worked pretty well for what I wanted it to do, which was kill bosses with a bow. Wise oak was pretty hard to balance but not impossible by any means. In the end I scrapped the build because it felt too squishy for my tastes. I'm not interested in trying it again, but I still think this is one of the best guides on this entire forum, even if I didn't like playing the build.

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juerk wrote:

Ok...the "reddit investigation crew" strikes again I guess? Or not?

After the "statistical analysis" (LOL) videos of loot drops from X maps (ft. a stupid amount of doctor cards/exalt drops + stupid loot filters) the "bullshit build thing" seems to be the new hot thing out there.

I initially quite liked the idea. A lot of build guides are quite deceiving when it comes to PoB numbers and there is no consensus whatsoever when it comes to settings. Quite annoying to have to check which buff is up, how many dps flasks are used and what legacy gear is to exclude.

Imo there is almost NO WAY for newer players to tell if build(guide) A is better then build B based on a PoB number. Or even a PoB pastebin. It's just a giant cluster**** without common standards. Therefore people feel free to advertise their build to the max and claim unrealistic numbers. Where the "bullshit builds guy" comes in.

But...why did he pick this build out of all the builds out there? There's even a 100% mirror service bow build (tri-balancing res. with the mirror items) out there to pick and criticize!? Or Probably too hard to find or not worth it for reddit? I could think of a couple of other bow builds as well, but that's a different story.

So, he chooses this build for the sole fact of "DPS boosted with mirrorgear", even admitting that he likes the build as it is and that it's capable of the endgame in the league.. So why making a "bullshit-build-video" out of it? Pure clickbait? Ahfack NEVER claimed that his items/numbers are possible to get in a temp league.

On a sidenote, this guy has no clue how to make a bow build work on budget. Picking the boots with 120 life (while wearing Kaoms) but not bothering fixing the WO-res or getting the extraproj :D. There are a TON of secondary items and options for quiver/helmet/body armour w/e

helmet: starkonja's, rat's, devoto's, tempest's binding, rare with projs. +2 Devoto has been cheap for ages till the league died out.
quiver: something remotely decent with +1 proj, NOT drillneck w/o proj. for barrage or drillneck +1 isn't that expensive.
body armour: QotF for mapping, Yriel's for dmg, Belly to save currency. Can't be bothered to have a 1hr+-writedown on this topic.

People have written dozens of pages about gearing/preparing for specific encounters and Ahfack even included some noteworthy reviews in the guide. FFS.

The reference to the number of people complaining is a funny one as well. I played the build from day 5-6 of the league and perceived it like this:

1) doomfletch is an (obvious) contender for a meta build, people see this guide and are happy with it at first. Prices are on the higher side but still affordable.
2) around the 2. week: people are getting their endgame gear and doing guardians/shaper with good results. The distribution of people in this thread is heavily skewed to the experienced/bow/meta-build-players though.
3) around the 3. week: following 2) doomfletch becomes REALLY meta and the prices on the suggested uniques explode. However there are still a bunch of affordable solutions out there.
4) around 5.-6. week: league starts to die / goes into the currency farming phase. This build isn't flashy enough for this phase to compete with wanders/windripper, a lot of metaplayers leave and some key items drop in price (also fusing/exalt reatio crashes). In the same time some of ziggyd followers / people disappointed with neversink's build arrive.


4) - 5) people start complaining about the build for some reason (unclear to me!)

Based on that I don't get the message of the video. I would rate the build around 8.5-9/10 and don't see a SINGLE valid point of criticism mentioned in the video. There are a few to be made but he's clearly not bothering going that deep.

TLDR: superficial clickbait video. A video comparing different build guides for a subclass (like bow builds) with analysis of+beyond the PoB would be useful. But naahh, that's not flashy enough...;)


P.S. played the build in 1)-3), have done around 60 guardians + 15 shapers + random other stuff (uber/vinktars) with it. Imo it's very good at shaper even w/o abyssus. Ok-good vs guardians w/o abyssus. Didn't bother to min-max the gear and switched to a wander afterwards.

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juerk wrote:

@vakarlan

You're right, it's not like I'd care either (mid/longterm). Beside the popcorn-aspect of the clip, it's even good for me, because it's

A) confusing people, which may lead some to questionable decisions/choices on poe.trade (in the next mayhem/league/whatever)

B) trashing a barrage build+ barrage in general, which might be helpful for 3.1 balance changes.

but VERY-SHORTTERM I'm annoyed by that clip, and express my opinion about it, that's it ;)

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philophil wrote:

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juerk wrote:

@vakarlan

You're right, it's not like I'd care either (mid/longterm). Beside the popcorn-aspect of the clip, it's even good for me, because it's

A) confusing people, which may lead some to questionable decisions/choices on poe.trade (in the next mayhem/league/whatever)

B) trashing a barrage build+ barrage in general, which might be helpful for 3.1 balance changes.

but VERY-SHORTTERM I'm annoyed by that clip, and express my opinion about it, that's it ;)

Im very annoyed by the fact that is video are basicly reaction video .... he put low effort into is critic n basicly he's just stealing content from others to make $$$. Eventually ppl will get bored of him because some of the things he say make 0 sense.